What are the waters above and under the firmament (Genesis 1:7)?

Answered from the commentary of F. B. Hole, Leslie M. Grant, William Kelly and 2 others

In Genesis 1:7, the waters above the firmament are the vapour held in clouds, from which rain, hail, or snow falls, and the waters below are those covering the earth, soon gathered into seas. The firmament is the expanse of the atmospheric heavens, the sky between them. One discussion mentions the view that the waters above are a reservoir beyond the firmament, but says they are the waters stored in clouds; another allows that there is no proof the clouds brought rain before the Flood.

Verses: Genesis 1:6, Genesis 1:7, Genesis 1:8, Genesis 1:9, Genesis 1:10, Psalms 148:4, Job 38:8, Job 38:9, Job 38:10, Job 38:11, Psalms 104:2, Psalms 104:3, Psalms 104:4, Psalms 104:5, Psalms 104:6, Psalms 104:7, Psalms 104:8, Psalms 104:9

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A. J. PollockGenesis 1 and 2

The Hebrew word translated “firmament” would be better given as “expanse,” as it is marked in the reference column in some editions of our Bibles. The word, “firmament” comes from the Vulgate translation of the Bible in Latin by Jerome, and is unfortunate. The idea came to him from the ancients. Greek and Roman philosophies described heaven as forming a solid vault over the earth. Aristotle’s (B.C. 384-322) description was “a sphere studded with stars.” The little girl, who imagined the stars were gimlet holes let into the floor of heaven through which the glory of heaven shone, was not far removed from the learned philosopher in her ideas.

The meaning of the passage is plain. Up to now the chaotic earth was enswathed in water and enwrapt in darkness. Then God took in hand to reconstruct the earth. He decreed that there should not only be water on the earth, but by evaporation there should be water in the skies in the form of clouds. There was to be water below the expanse, that is on the earth; and water above the expanse, that is as seen in the clouds in the sky.

F. B. HoleGenesis

On the second day a "firmament," or "expanse," was called into being. As a result of this a further division took place; not now of light from darkness but of waters from waters. God called this expanse, Heaven. In verse 1 "the heaven" indicates what we should call the stellar heavens. In verse 8 the atmospheric heavens are indicated. There it is that immense quantities of water float above in the form of clouds, divided from the far greater quantities that lie on the earth beneath. As the result of the work of the second day the earth was surrounded with an atmosphere. It was accomplished by His word, "God said … and it was so."

Leslie M. GrantComments on the Book of Genesis

Now God speaks to introduce a firmament to divide waters from waters (vs.6-7), those waters under the firmament from those above. He called the firmament heaven. This heaven is plainly the atmospheric heaven, and the waters above are no doubt those contained in the clouds. They are fresh, pure waters: those beneath are salty, unfit for human consumption. If the first day symbolizes God's beginning His work in a soul by new birth, the second day illustrates the fact that one has cause to look up to recognize that true blessing comes from above, and therefore that authority also is from above. "The heavens do rule" (Dan.4:26). How important for the believer to learn early that he is to be in subjection to the authority of the Lord Jesus. If all below seems to be a watery waste with no order, yet in being refreshed by the pure water of God's word from above in true subjection to the Lord Jesus, the believers life may be greatly changed from disorder into calm, orderly obedience, even when surrounded by the swelling seas of the world's confusion.

Samuel RidoutPart 2 Chapter 1

Second Day — The Firmament, or expanse, is here seen, which spreads between the earth-heavens and the waters beneath. As yet, nothing is upon the surface of the world except the waters covering all. God makes a division now between these waters and the vapors above. There is marked distinction between them. The waters upon the earth are the salt, bitter waters of the ocean; while those above, though drawn from the ocean, are perfectly fresh. It is beautiful to see how these waters in vast and inconceivable volume are suspended in those "balancing clouds" which lift them above the earth and yet hold them in connection with it, ever ready to pour down in beneficent rain the treasures which they hold. Science here again has ceased to sneer at the wondrous exactness and beauty of all this. It is a true picture of what the expanse of the atmosphere is, a separation between the waters on the earth and in the heavens, not a hard and fast line; indeed, one that can be filled, it may be, with vapor, and yet which in general arches itself above us, making a true separation, as Scripture here describes it.

J. N. DarbyGenesis

7, 8. Then the atmospheric heavens, the actual blue sky was formed; waters above - the treasure house for the rain, and below - the heaven or firmament. That was the second day; there was again evening and morning - the disappearance of the light, and its reappearance.

13 - 9. Next the sea is made by withdrawing the waters from the surface of a part of the earth, and causing the dry land to appear. Nothing was made the second day, i.e., any new thing; the separation of waters above and below, leaving the heavens free as a firmament between, was not a new substance created, hence it is not said to be very good.

William KellyIn the Beginning,

"The waters above" consist of that enormous supply of vapour which fills the clouds and falls as rain, hail, or snow. "The waters below" covered the earth as yet, but were shortly to form seas, when the dry land appeared next day. It is ignorance therefore to say, in the face of a crowd of scriptures, that the waters above imply a permanent solid vault like a shower bath. The Hebrews could see the movements of many heavenly bodies instead of regarding all as fixtures. But even had they been as dull as rationalism is invidious, our concern is with the divine record, the accuracy of which irritates hostile minds who would hail the least flaw with satisfaction. Scripture abides; science changes and corrects itself from age to age. As to figures, "bottles" are used no less than "pillars," and a "tent" or "curtain" as well as "windows" and "doors." They are all strikingly expressive. Only the stupid or malicious could take any of them in the letter, to dishonour the scriptures.

J. N. DarbyA Second Dialogue on the Essays and Reviews

107 Then the expanse is formed, or for a Jew the first heaven, as we see it. God set it over the earth. It is spoken of as we speak of it. Rakiang is an expanse, but there is no definition of it. Firmament is merely a word taken from the Septuagint and Latin. God produced what we see daily, this blue sky over our heads, and call sky, and heaven. It is not mere empty space, as our Essayist says: all but what the sun shone on would be pitch dark if it were, and the bottom viewed in a telescope is black. It is the air which is blue, yet we all say blue sky, and so on. It sufficed to say, that what was thus before us God had so ordered.

I am not aware that the waters above the heavens are more than the supplies of rain in the clouds. It has been alleged, that there was no rain till the Deluge, and that these waters came down then. It may be so. I see no proof of it.

Frederick W. GrantPart 1 Introductory

The second stage of this divine work is the making of the "firmament," or "expanse," by which a separation of the waters is effected. Strangely misunderstood as it has been by some, it is, one would think, self-evidently, the formation of the atmospheric "heavens," which draw up now (as they have been doing ever since) out of the deep below, waters which, purged of their saltness, become the still inexplicably balanced clouds.

Samuel RidoutPart 2 Chapter 1

The geologic period suggested by the second day is doubtless that condition of the earth when its heavily charged vapors subsided more into the water, and a true atmosphere, not exactly as we know it now, but quite similar, was established, in which the vast waters above the world were separated from those beneath. This touches so closely on the literal narrative, that there can be no difficulty in understanding it.

A. J. PollockCreation and Reconstruction

On the second day God ordained the distinction between heaven and this earth on which we find ourselves. He made a firmament or expansion, and divided the waters which were above the firmament from the waters below the firmament. This illustrates the two great lines of God’s dealings with men, viz., the heavenly and the earthly. This was first indicated when God called out Abraham.

Verses

  • Genesis 1:6–106And God said, Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it be a division between waters and waters. 7And God made the expanse, and divided between the waters that are under the expanse and the waters that are above the expanse; and it was so. 8And God called the expanse Heavens. And there was evening, and there was morning — a second day. 9And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together to one place, and let the dry [land] appear. And it was so. 10And God called the dry [land] Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
  • Psalms 148:4Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that are above the heavens.
  • Job 38:8–118And who shut up the sea with doors, when it burst forth, issuing out of the womb? 9When I made the cloud its garment, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it; 10When I cut out for it my boundary, and set bars and doors, 11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come and no further, and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?