Proverbs 6:6–11

Proverbs 6:6 · Darby

Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways and be wise

Proverbs 6 warns against rash promises and idleness. Here God sends the lazy man to school, and the teacher is an insect: what can an ant show him, and how far does the lesson reach?

The teacher God chose

The choice of an insect is itself part of the rebuke. One writer shows how far the lazy man has fallen, and where his laziness ends:

The sluggard has sunk so low that Jehovah tells him to learn from the tiny "ant." That teacher is enough for him. In the same way, the New Testament uses the lilies of the field to rebuke anxiety about clothing. Scripture says nothing here about hoarding for winter; in fact, like many animals, ants are mostly dormant then. But they work without stopping. They keep good order. They even care for others through the summer and harvest, while they can still be active. That may well shame the self-indulgent sleeper. … Poverty comes on the listless and lazy like a tramp, or like an armed man who will not be refused.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

Now compare the two pupils. The ant has no leader; the man has the greater mind:

They work day and night. They build vast, well-shaped mounds for homes and barns, three times larger than the Egyptian pyramids compared with the size of the tiny builders. They march and labour together, have their own wars, care for their sick, and they do all of it without a chief, an overseer, or a ruler. Yet man, with higher intelligence and a higher work to do, can be a sluggard.

Modernised from Arno Clemens GaebeleinOriginal wording

What "consider her ways" means

The verse does not say admire the ant; it says study her. The Hebrew name itself points to what you would see:

The Hebrew word nemalah is said to come from a root meaning "to crowd together," which fits all ants. Buxtorf traces it from the root "to eat." This insect is held up as a practical reproof to the sluggard. Scripture says that it provides its food in the summer and gathers its food in the harvest. Sceptics object that ants eat meat and could not store such food in summer. But there is plenty of evidence that they do lay up grain in the summer, and if it gets damp they bring it out into the sun to dry. Another point worth noting: they have "no guide, overseer, or ruler." Yet no one can watch this insect without seeing that they are "exceeding wise." Each one finds its own particular work and diligently does it — a profitable lesson for the saints of God to learn.

Modernised from Morrish Bible DictionaryOriginal wording

So commentators differ on one detail. One points to the grain stored up in summer. The other finds no hoarding in the passage at all, and stresses the ant's work while the season lasts.

Small size is no excuse

The ant is weak, and the verse still holds her up. That refuses the excuse most often used by the lazy — that they have too little to work with:

The sluggard is one given up to laziness. He might well consider the object lesson of the ant, a creature so small, yet a willing worker. Without captain, overseer or ruler, she diligently uses the summer to provide food, gathering during harvest to meet her needs for the winter. God has certainly made her to be an object lesson for anyone who wants to live in idleness.

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

Working hard and trusting God

Some have claimed that Scripture contradicts itself here, since elsewhere it tells the believer not to be anxious. One writer answers that the two passages do different jobs:

These words give no ground at all to those who claimed a contradiction with Prov. 6:6-8. Proverbs presses the ordinary duty of industry, and so reproves the sluggard using the hard-working ant as its text. These words call the believer to rely in faith on the Father's care, without an anxious thought. The one is as true as the other. But the call to trust goes deeper and rises higher, because of the revelation of the Father's name to those who believe on the Son.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

The wisdom that looks past this life

Being wise also means preparing for the future you actually face:

The ant rightly lives only for earth, and prepares for the only future she will have. But when a man prepares only for earth, that is folly. His earthly future is nothing compared with the eternity he must face. But the ant is meant to teach wisdom in diligence and to reprove laziness.

Modernised from Leslie M. GrantOriginal wording

Sloth can also settle over the soul. It shows in what stops:

We begin to be slothful Christians when we fail to enjoy the love of God to us in Christ. It starts when Christ Himself is no longer the Object and Hope of our hearts. It starts when meditating on the word of God becomes tiresome and private prayer declines. It starts when private praise and making melody in the heart to the Lord stops, and we no longer overflow with love to our Saviour God, to His ways, His people, and His service.

Modernised from The Christian's FriendOriginal wording

Summary

- Go — God sends the lazy man to an insect; the tiny ant is teacher enough for one who has sunk so low.

- Consider — the word is a command to study, not admire: no guide, overseer or ruler, yet each ant finds its work and does it.

- Be wise — wisdom here is matching labour to the season, since summer and harvest do not wait.

- Balance — the ant teaches hard work; Scripture also calls the believer to trust the Father's care without an anxious thought. The second goes deeper.

- Reach — the ant prepares for the only future she has; a man who prepares only for earth has misread how long he lives.

Proverbs 6:7 · Darby

which having no chief, overseer, or ruler,

The seventh verse of Proverbs 6 sits inside a short portrait of the ant, held up to a lazy man as a teacher. What stands out is what the ant lacks: no chief, no officer, no ruler — and yet the work still gets done.

The Teacher Chosen

The chapter has been urging earnest action. It turns next to lazy folly, and the teacher chosen is itself the rebuke.

In full contrast with the earnestness urged here is the lazy folly which is next pictured so vividly. The sluggard has sunk so low that Jehovah tells him to learn from the tiny "ant". That little creature is teacher enough for him. In the same way, the New Testament uses the lilies of the field to rebuke anxiety about clothing. The passage says not a word about storing up for winter — in fact, like many animals, ants are mostly dormant then. But in summer and harvest, while they are free to be active, they work without stopping, keep good order, and even care for one another. That may well shame the self-indulgent sleeper.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

No Chief, No Officer, No Ruler

This verse does not call the ant disorganised. Order appears with no one giving orders, and each worker still knows its job. (Older translations read "guide" and "overseer" where the ESV has "officer".)

The Hebrew word for ant is said to come from a root meaning "to crowd together", which fits every kind of ant. Another point worth noting is that they have "no guide, overseer, or ruler". Yet no one can watch this insect without seeing that they are "exceedingly wise". Each one finds its own particular work and does it diligently. That is a profitable lesson for God's people to learn.

Modernised from Morrish Bible DictionaryOriginal wording

The Shame of the Comparison

The ant does all this with no leader. A man with far more given him can still be a sluggard.

They swarm in the woods and in the fields; they work day and night… They build huge, evenly shaped mounds and use them as homes and barns. For the size of the tiny builders, these mounds are three times larger than the Egyptian pyramids. They march and work together, have their own wars, and care for their sick. They do all of it without a chief, an overseer, or a ruler. Yet man, with higher intelligence and a higher work to do, can be a sluggard.

Modernised from Arno Clemens GaebeleinOriginal wording

Work as God's Order

Diligence here is not just practical advice. One writer traces it back to God's own order for man.

The beginning of this chapter states two great principles of life. Do not commit yourself for the future, and do not be lazy and idle in the present. God has set us in this place; humble diligence is a duty now — His ordinance since the fall. "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread." "If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

Modernised from J. N. DarbyOriginal wording

Not a Rival to Trusting God

The New Testament also calls believers to rest in the Father's care. Some have read that as clashing with the ant's example. Commentators say the two lessons do not contradict each other.

This hardly needs saying. The words give no ground at all to those who claimed a contradiction with Proverbs 6:6-8. Proverbs presses the ordinary duty of industry, and so it reproves the sluggard by pointing to the hard-working ant. The other passage calls the believer to hold on to faith's reliance on the Father's care, without an anxious thought. The one is as true as the other. But trust in the Father goes deeper and rises higher, because God has revealed the Father's name to those who believe on the Son.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

The Bill That Arrives

The passage ends with the price of idleness. The size of the teacher is part of the point.

The sluggard is one given over to laziness. He might well consider the object lesson of the ant — a creature so small, yet a willing worker. Without captain, overseer, or ruler, she works hard through the summer to provide food. She gathers in the harvest to meet her needs for winter… Only a little slumber — that is, the hands stopping work — will in the end bring poverty. It comes like a prowler who steals one's living, or like an armed man who strips one of all defence. Let us be workers, not drones!

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

Summary

- No boss. The ant works with no chief, officer, or ruler over it — order without supervision is the whole force of the verse.

- No excuse. Yet each ant finds its own work and does it well. Commentators call that a profitable lesson for God's people.

- No rank. God makes a tiny creature the teacher of a man with higher intelligence and higher work. That is the sting of the rebuke.

- No holiday. Diligence has been God's ordinance since the fall: "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread."

- No conflict. Working like the ant and trusting the Father's care are both true. Industry is the daily duty; trust goes deeper still.

Proverbs 6:8 · Darby

provideth her bread in the summer, [and] gathereth her food in the harvest.

This proverb praises the ant not for her strength but for her timing. She works while the weather allows, and stores what the harvest gives. Two questions follow. Why does a creature with no one over it out-work a man who has been told what to do? And what season is open to you right now?

Provision Made in Season

The ant matches her work to the season she is in. She gathers in summer so that winter does not find her empty.

The sluggard is one given up to laziness. He might well consider the object lesson of the ant, a creature so small, yet a willing worker. With no captain, overseer or ruler, she works hard through the summer to provide food, gathering it in the harvest to meet her needs for the winter. God certainly made her this way as an object lesson for anyone who wants to live in idleness.

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

No One Standing Over Her

Verse 7 says she has no chief, officer, or ruler. Verse 8 says she works anyway. The shame falls on man, who can do far more and still needs prodding.

The ant is a marvellous little creature. Modern science has studied this little insect closely. What it found is stated here in a few words by the Lord, the Creator... They build huge, even-shaped mounds and use them as homes and barns. Compared to the size of the tiny builders, these mounds are three times larger than the Egyptian pyramids. They march and work as one, fight their own wars, and care for their sick. They do all of it without a chief, an overseer or a ruler. Yet man with a higher intelligence and a higher work to do can be a sluggard.

Modernised from Arno Clemens GaebeleinOriginal wording

The Word and the Objection

The ant's Hebrew name carries its own meaning. And the habit this verse describes has drawn objections.

The Hebrew word nemalah seems to come from a root meaning "to crowd together," which fits all ants. Buxtorf traces it to the root "to eat." Scripture uses this insect as a practical rebuke to the lazy man... Sceptics object to this, since ants are thought to be meat-eaters that could not store such food in summer. But there is plenty of evidence that they do store grain in the summer. If it gets damp, they bring it out into the sun and dry it. Another point worth noting: they have no chief, officer, or ruler. Yet no one can watch this insect without seeing that they are "exceedingly wise." Each one finds its own work and does it with care — a valuable lesson for God's people to learn.

Modernised from Morrish Bible DictionaryOriginal wording

Industry, Not Hoarding

Commentators differ over whether the verse points to a winter store at all. One reading puts the weight on the activity itself, carried on while the season is open.

The sluggard has sunk so low that Jehovah tells him to learn from the tiny "ant," teacher enough for him... The verse says nothing about storing up for winter. In fact, like many animals, ants are mostly inactive then. But in summer and harvest, while they can still be active, they work without stopping, keep good order, and even care for one another. That may well shame the lazy man who lives for his own comfort.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

Preparing for a Longer Winter

The ant's foresight reaches as far as her life does. A man who copies only her industry, and not her habit of looking ahead, has misread the lesson.

The ant is right to live only for earth, and she prepares for the only future she will have. When a man prepares for earth alone, it is folly. His future on earth is nothing next to the eternity he must face. Yet the ant is there to teach us wisdom in hard work, and to rebuke laziness.

Modernised from Leslie M. GrantOriginal wording

Diligence and Dependence Together

Some have claimed this verse clashes with the call to trust the Father's care without an anxious thought. One writer answers that each passage does a different work.

It hardly needs saying that these words give no ground at all to those who claimed they contradict Proverbs 6:6-8. Proverbs presses the ordinary duty of hard work, and so rebukes the lazy man with the example of the hard-working ant. Those other words call the believer to rest by faith in the Father's care, without an anxious thought. The one is as true as the other.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

Summary

- Season — She works in summer and gathers at harvest, using the window God gave her before it closes.

- Self-started — With no captain, overseer or ruler, each ant finds its own work and does it. The verse rebukes the man who needs someone standing over him.

- Small — Size sharpens the rebuke. A creature this tiny is teacher enough for a man with greater intelligence and greater work to do.

- Sure — Sceptics doubted that ants store grain at all. The evidence answers them. Commentators differ over whether the verse stresses the store or the endless work.

- Beyond summer — The ant prepares for the only future she has. A man who prepares only for earth has copied her labour and missed her wisdom.

Proverbs 6:9 · Darby

How long, sluggard, wilt thou lie down? When wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?

This verse is a question, not a statement, and it is aimed at one man: the sluggard already sent to learn from the ant. It does not describe laziness from a distance. It stands over the bed and asks how much longer this will go on.

The Ant as Teacher

Being told to learn from an insect is itself part of the rebuke.

The lazy folly pictured next stands in full contrast with the earnestness urged here. The sluggard has sunk so low that Jehovah tells him to learn from the tiny "ant" as all the teacher he needs... in summer and harvest, while activity is still open to them, they work without stopping, keep good order, and even care for others. All this may well put the self-indulgent sleeper to shame.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

Look at how the ant actually lives.

They march and labour together, have their own wars, feed their sick, and all of it is done without a chief, an overseer, or a ruler. Yet man, with higher intelligence and higher work to do, can be a sluggard.

Modernised from Arno Clemens GaebeleinOriginal wording

Work Is God's Arrangement

This is more than advice about getting ahead.

This chapter starts with two great principles of life. Do not commit yourself for the future. Do not be lazy and idle in the present. God has set us in this place, and humble diligence is a duty now — His arrangement since the fall. "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread." "If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

Modernised from J. N. DarbyOriginal wording

What the Sleep Costs

Delay has a price, and it arrives on its own.

The sluggard is one given up to laziness. He is asked how long he will slumber. Only a little slumber — the hands stopping work — will in the end bring poverty. It comes like a prowler who steals a man's living, or like an armed man who comes to strip him of all defence. Let us be workers, not drones!

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

The Same Sleep in the Soul

A believer can lie down in the same way, and the sleep deepens the longer it lasts.

We begin to be slothful Christians when we no longer enjoy the love of God to us in Christ. It happens when Christ Himself is no longer the Object and Hope of our hearts. It happens when meditating on the word of God becomes tiresome and private prayer declines... And how serious this state is! For "slothfulness casts into a deep sleep, and an idle person will suffer hunger." Note that it is a deep sleep. It is so deep that ordinary means completely fail to wake them.

Modernised from The Christian's FriendOriginal wording

How the Drift Begins

Nobody decides to become the sluggard. The slide happens in small steps.

I went to the house of young Mr. Slothful. His Bible was completely buried under other books, with thick dust over the back and sides of it. His regular habits of daily prayer had quite broken down... Young Mr. Slothful had been indulging in a little more sleep in the mornings. He had been slackening off a little in the usual duties, and taking a little more self-ease in everything. And now spiritual poverty has come on him like a robber... First there was just leaving off the regular habit once. Then the same thing repeated, then again. Each time the gap between was shorter.

Modernised from William J HockingOriginal wording

Being Roused Is Not Rising

The verse asks two things: how long, and when. Hearing the call is not the same as getting up.

Think of the sluggard. When roused in the morning he only turns over on his side, and he is soon faster asleep than before. So it was with you, poor Christian worldling (what a contradiction in terms!). You were half woken from your dangerous sleep, and then you sank into a deeper one. You paid attention only to the first part of that waking call, and ignored the second, "Arise from the dead!"

Modernised from The Bible TreasuryOriginal wording

There is more at stake than the sleeper's own comfort.

A sad condition for a believer to slip into! What use is a sleeper as a witness to God and the truth? Thanks be to God, such people are not dead. The spark of divine life is there, and nothing can put it out. But they have sunk into spiritual numbness. They have lost both their enjoyment of heavenly grace and their usefulness in testimony.

Modernised from W. W. FeredayOriginal wording

Summary

- Look down. The ant has no chief, overseer, or ruler, yet she works. She shames a man with greater intelligence and greater work to do.

- Work is assigned. Humble diligence is God's arrangement since the fall. It is not just advice for getting ahead.

- Small steps deepen. A little more sleep, a little slackening, a little self-ease. Each gap is shorter than the last, until the sleep is too deep for ordinary means to break.

- The bill arrives. Poverty comes on its own, like a prowler stealing a living or an armed man stripping away all defence.

- Half-waking is still sleeping. The sluggard hears the call, turns over, and sleeps faster than before. Only rising makes you a witness again.

Proverbs 6:10 · Darby

A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest!

Just before this verse, the lazy man is sent to the ant to learn. What he asks for sounds harmless — a little more sleep, a little more rest — yet the next verse says it ends in ruin.

Diligence as God's order

One writer sets these small delays against the working life God gave man after the fall.

The beginning of this chapter states two great principles of life. Do not commit yourself for the future. Do not be lazy and idle in the present. God has set us in this place, and humble diligence is a duty now — His ordinance since the fall. "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread." "If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."

Modernised from J. N. DarbyOriginal wording

The ant as teacher

What shames the sluggard is not that the ant stores up for winter.

The sluggard has sunk so low that Jehovah tells him to learn from the tiny "ant" as teacher enough for him... We hear nothing about hoarding a store for winter — in fact, like many creatures, ants are mostly dormant then. But they never stop working. They keep good order, and they even care for others through summer and harvest, while they are still free to work. All of this may well shame the self-indulgent sleeper.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

The ant also works with nobody standing over her.

The ant is a marvellous little creature... They march and work together. They have their own wars, and they feed their sick. They do all of it without a chief, an overseer, or a ruler. Yet man, with higher intelligence and a higher work to do, can be a sluggard.

Modernised from Arno Clemens GaebeleinOriginal wording

Sleep in spiritual things

Rest itself is not the problem. The warning is about a life ruled by it, and about the things we sleep through.

Of course, we need sleep and rest. But it is a different matter when this marks our whole life. This is especially true when we sleep about spiritual things, and so feel nothing of serious dangers. It was "while men were sleeping" that the enemy sowed weeds among the wheat (Matt. 13:25).

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

The same sleep shows itself when Christians hand their own work to someone else.

The great mass of Christian men and women seek to escape their responsibility. They believe in substitution — letting someone else do it — in almost every line of Christian activity... This kind of substitution comes out of the spiritual sluggishness described in Proverbs 6:10–11.

Modernised from Frederick W GrantOriginal wording

The word "little"

The damage comes in doses so small that no single one seems worth arguing about. One writer takes us into a young Christian's room.

I went to the house of young Mr Slothful. His Bible lay buried under a pile of other books, with thick dust over the back and sides of it. His regular habits of daily prayer were quite broken down... Young Mr Slothful had been indulging in a little more sleep in the mornings. He had slackened off a little with the usual duties, and allowed himself a little more ease in everything. And now spiritual poverty has come on him like a robber... First he left off the regular habit just once. Then he did the same thing again, and then again, and each time the gap between was shorter. Now the well-ordered Christian life has become a disorderly wilderness of weeds.

Modernised from William J HockingOriginal wording

Such sleep also grows deeper with time.

Slothfulness casts into a deep sleep... Notice that it is a deep sleep — so deep, sadly, that ordinary means fail to wake them.

Modernised from The Christian's FriendOriginal wording

How the loss arrives

The next verse names two thieves.

Poverty has come "like a prowler." He comes as secretly as he can, to rob us of the wealth God gave us at the start. Or it comes "like an armed man," who steals everything he can by force.

Modernised from L M GrantOriginal wording

The quote follows an older translation here; the ESV reads "like a robber, and want like an armed man."

Summary

- Little. The lazy man asks in small doses — a little sleep, a little more ease. Each one looks too small to argue with.

- Learn. God answers the small excuse with a smaller teacher. The ant works with no chief, no overseer and no ruler, and works while the season lasts.

- Loss. The bill comes in full. Poverty arrives in secret like a robber, and want like an armed man who takes everything.

- Late. The sleep grows so deep that ordinary means no longer wake the sleeper. By then the ordered Christian life is a wilderness of weeds.

- Labour. The remedy is the duty God gave us after the fall. Work humbly now, and carry your own responsibility instead of handing it to someone else.

Proverbs 6:11 · Darby

So shall thy poverty come as a roving plunderer, and thy penury as an armed man.

The verse closes the picture of the sluggard: after the ant, after the invitation to a little more sleep, comes the bill. Poverty does not seep in slowly. It arrives — and the picture asks why idleness, which feels harmless, ends in loss.

The ant sets the standard

What makes the ant an argument is that nobody makes her work.

The sluggard is one given up to laziness. He might well consider the object lesson of the ant, a creature so small, yet a willing worker. Without captain, overseer or ruler, she works hard through the summer to provide food. She gathers it in at harvest to meet her needs for the winter. God made her that way as an object lesson for anyone who wants to live in idleness.

Modernised from L. M. GrantOriginal wording

Two figures for one arrival

The verse gives poverty two faces. Neither is chosen; both arrive. One writer reads them together as theft and helplessness: you lose your living, and you are left with nothing to defend yourself.

only a little slumber — that is, hands that stop working — will in the end bring poverty. It comes like a prowler who steals your living, or like an armed man who strips you of all defense.

Modernised from L. M. GrantOriginal wording

Another writer notes that summer and harvest are the time when work is still possible. Afterward comes a visitor no one can refuse.

Their tireless work, their good order, and even their care for others in the summer and harvest, while they can still be active, may well shame the self-indulgent sleeper... on the listless and lazy, poverty comes like a tramp or an armed man who will not take no for an answer.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

Ruin without a single scandal

The sluggard is not accused of anything dramatic. That is the sting of the picture.

The careless man sleeps his life away: "a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep." He may be innocent of strong drink, or of sensual pleasure, or of wasteful company. His laziness ensures his ruin.

Modernised from William KellyOriginal wording

The word "little" is the trap

Nothing here describes a decision to fail. Small concessions, repeated, do the work. One writer shows how that looks in an ordinary home.

I went to the house of young Mr. Slothful, and his Bible lay hidden under a pile of other books. Thick dust covered its back and sides, and his regular habits of daily prayer had quite broken down... He had been taking a little more sleep in the mornings, letting the usual duties slide a little, giving himself a little more ease in everything. And now spiritual poverty has come upon him like a robber... First he left off the regular habit just once. Then he did it again, and again, and the gap between each time grew shorter — until the well-ordered Christian life has become a disorderly wilderness of evil weeds.

Modernised from William J. HockingOriginal wording

Poverty of soul, not only of pocket

Commentators apply the verse beyond money. One names the inward signs of spiritual sloth. Knowing you are saved, he warns, is no shield against its losses.

when we fail to enjoy the love of God to us in Christ, when Christ Himself is no longer the Object and Hope of our hearts, when meditation on the word of God becomes tiresome, and private prayer declines... we begin to be slothful Christians... Some think, "I know I am saved," "I know I have eternal life," and the like. But do we weigh, as we should, that if our life and walk grieve or quench the Spirit of God, we may lose the comfort and enjoyment of such precious truths?

Modernised from The Christian's FriendOriginal wording

The same sluggishness shows when believers hand their own duties to someone else.

The great mass of Christian men and women seek to escape their responsibility. They believe in substitution — letting someone else do it — in almost every line of Christian activity... This kind of substitution comes out of the spiritual sluggishness described in Proverbs 6:10-11.

Modernised from F. W. GrantOriginal wording

Where the slide starts

If poverty comes last, something has to come first. One writer traces the whole decline back to a single dropped habit.

I believe that the beginning of all decline is neglect of prayer... We read that our blessed Lord was constantly in prayer through the three and a half years of His public ministry... If that blessed Man, the sinless One, our great Example, felt the need of prayer so deeply, how great must our need be!

Modernised from An Outline of Sound WordsOriginal wording

Summary

- A little. Ruin grows out of small concessions — a little sleep, a little slackening — never a decision to fail.

- A lot. Those small concessions buy a large loss: poverty walks in like a prowler, want like an armed man who takes no refusal.

- No excuse. The ant works with no captain, overseer or ruler; the sluggard has less reason for idleness than an insect.

- No scandal needed. Laziness alone can ruin a man who is clear of drink, lust and bad company.

- Inward first. Prayer dropped, then the Bible dusty, then a life running wild — the soul goes poor the same way the pocket does.