Job 8:11–12

Job 8:11

Doth the papyrus shoot up without mire? doth the reed-grass grow without water?

Bildad answers Job by reaching for a picture from the natural world: a marsh plant can only live where the marsh is. His point is about roots. What a life leans on will show itself in the end, and he means Job to feel it.

The plants and what they prove

One reference work defines the word behind "reeds":

achu, a soft reed that can only grow in moist ground: it is eaten by cattle. Job 8:11.

Morrish Bible Dictionary

The plants stand tall and green, but the height is not their own. One writer traces where it comes from, and how fast it goes:

The papyrus does not lift its head so high by any strength of its own. It rises from the abundant mire in which it thrives its little day. The same is true of the flag or bulrush of the East: it grows from sheer excess of moisture, not from solid ground. This is so true that they do not decay slowly, like other plants. They are the first to wither, even without being cut down.

William Kelly

Where Bildad got this wisdom

Bildad is not speaking from what he has seen. He is passing on what earlier generations taught, and that sets him apart from the friend who spoke before him:

Eliphaz argued from his own observation — from what he had seen. Bildad argued from tradition — from what could be learned in the records of earlier days. He distrusted conclusions drawn from personal experience, since the days of a man on earth are only "a shadow."

F. B. Hole

Another writer questions the appeal itself:

Bildad here seeks confirmation of his contention from the wisdom of past ages. He goes beyond Eliphaz: "For we are but as children of yesterday." That is true. But what does the stored-up wisdom of all the past give us when the question is God's truth? It is not to the past that we are to turn, but to God and His word.

Samuel Ridout

True in nature, false about Job

Nothing in the verse is factually wrong. The failure is in the use made of it:

Yet Bildad had much to say that was right and good. There is always a reason for things developing, but Bildad did not read that reason correctly in Job's case. Also he says that a reed may wither while yet green, and he uses this as a picture of those who forget God (vv.11-12). True enough. But he was wrongly suggesting that Job had forgotten God. He treated Job's perishing hope as a sign that Job must be a hypocrite (v.13). It is certainly true that the hypocrite's hope shall perish, but to apply this to Job was totally unfair.

Leslie M. Grant

Bildad never says this outright. The illustration carries it:

And here we have the wisdom of Bildad as he learned it from the past. It is all true and sublimely stated: the wicked cannot prosper, their doom is certain. On the other hand God will not cast off the perfect man. But Job is in the position of a man God has cast off. So he must belong to the wicked who do not prosper. Bildad hides this beneath his fine words.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

The picture turned back on the speakers

One writer turns Bildad's image back on the three friends:

Well, that is just what their condition was — mire and water. There was no substance at all, just mire and water. Their thoughts were no better than the flag that grew out of the water, or the reed that grew out of the mire. And he talks about the hypocrite being no better than a spider's web. That is exactly what they were, though they were not hypocrites. Still, they were all wrong in their reasonings, and wrong reasoning is never better than a spider's web.

William Kelly

The verse used against a troubled believer

Applied to the wrong person, the picture becomes a weapon. One writer warns believers who look to their own greenness for proof:

This is all true of the stony-ground hearers. But it is not true of Job, and not true of the soul that sincerely trusts in Christ. The water that is in him is a well of water, springing up into everlasting life. "The hypocrite's hope shall perish", but the feeblest sheep of Christ shall never perish. But if he looks at his own imagined greenness — at his own boasted goodness — it will fade away. And so Satan gets the advantage. There may be much freshness of soul at conversion, like the green flag; but beware of trusting in this.

C. Stanley

Summary

- Root — The reed borrows its height from the mud beneath it. It stands by its element, not by its own strength, so it is the first to wither.

- Source — Bildad's saying comes from earlier generations, not from God. Stored-up human wisdom is not the standard when God's truth is the question.

- Misuse — Every part of the verse is true. The fault lies in the unspoken conclusion: that Job's failing hope proved him a hypocrite.

- Mirror — The friends' own reasoning had no more substance than the reed they described. A wrong argument is as flimsy as a spider's web.

- Living water — The warning fits a shallow, rootless faith. The one who trusts Christ carries a well of water springing up to everlasting life. He should not rest his confidence on his own greenness.

Job 8:12

Whilst it is yet in its greenness [and] not cut down, it withereth before any [other] grass.

To answer Job, Bildad borrows the wisdom of earlier generations and points to a marsh plant: still green, still uncut — and already dying. But does fast growth prove anything about the life underneath it, and does Job really fit the picture?

The Plant That Borrows Its Life

Where does the papyrus get its height? One commentator points not to the plant but to the soft mud under it, and shows why such a plant dies before the rest.

The papyrus lifts its head so high by no strength of its own. Its height comes from the plentiful mud where it thrives for its short day. The same is true of the reed or bulrush of the East, which grows from sheer excess of moisture, not from solid ground. This is so true that they do not decay slowly, like other plants, but are the first to wither without being cut down.

William Kelly

Nothing cuts it down. The water goes, and what the water held up goes with it.

Prosperity With Nothing Under It

Bildad applies the picture to a life lived away from God, where wealth can vanish faster than the ordinary lives around it.

The water-reed, or papyrus, grows thick and lush while water is around its roots. As soon as the water is gone, it withers faster than any other plant. So is the prosperity of the wicked, who for a time spreads himself as a green bay tree. The hope of the ungodly — not merely the hypocrite — perishes.

Samuel Ridout

A True Saying Aimed at the Wrong Man

The proverb is sound. The problem is the man Bildad aims it at.

Things always grow for a reason. But Bildad read that reason wrongly in Job's case. He also says that a reed may wither while still green, and he uses this as a picture of those who forget God. True enough. But he was wrongly suggesting that Job had forgotten God. Job's hope seemed to be perishing, so Bildad took him for a hypocrite. It is certainly true that the hypocrite's hope will perish, but to apply this to Job was totally unfair.

Leslie M. Grant

Judging by What You Can See

Kelly turns this into a warning for anyone facing what he cannot yet explain.

A believer should not make haste; he should wait where he does not have the assurance of God's mind. Least of all should he have put the worst possible construction on what he did not understand. He did just that. It made Job's trial harder and provoked his spirit, which then gave an appearance of evil to those who suspected evil. So the confusion grew worse, and the true answer lay hidden in deeper darkness from their eyes. Did it ever occur to the three friends that the wise thing would have been to pray, instead of talking, judging, and condemning?

William Kelly

Greenness You Cannot Trust

The verse has a use Bildad never intended. It shows what happens when a person's confidence rests on his own freshness instead of on Christ.

This is all true of the stony-ground hearers. But it is not true of Job, and not true of the soul that truly trusts in Christ. The water that is in him is a well of water, springing up into everlasting life. "The hypocrite's hope will perish" — but the feeblest sheep of Christ will never perish. But suppose he looks at his own imagined greenness, at his own boasted goodness. Then it will fade away, and Satan gains the advantage. At conversion there may be much freshness of soul, like the green reed. But beware of trusting in it. When the real character of the flesh comes out, the setback is often as great as the joy was. Then the darts fly: "Have I deceived myself?" "Perhaps I have no root in Christ." Then what darkness of soul, what confusion! The eye is off Christ, and the heart is listening to Satan. Even the very first question, that of justification, is no longer settled. It was just so with Job at the end of Bildad's speech.

C Stanley

So Bildad's blow lands hardest on an honest conscience, not a guilty one. It can unsettle even the question of how a person stands right with God.

Summary

- Root — the marsh plant borrows its height from the mud around it. No strength of its own lifts it.

- Speed — a borrowed life dies fastest. Still green and uncut, it withers before hardier plants.

- Reach — the picture fits the prosperity and hope of people who live without God. Both drain away the moment the supply stops.

- Misuse — a true saying turns cruel when aimed at a sufferer. Bildad judged by what he saw, when he should have prayed.

- Supply — the believer's water is not under him but inside him: a well springing up to eternal life. So never lean on your own greenness.