Job 38:16–21

Job 38:16

Hast thou entered as far as the springs of the sea? and hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep?

God answers Job out of the whirlwind. He does not explain Job's suffering. He asks questions instead — about the sea's hidden sources and an ocean floor no foot has walked. The point is not geography. It is the gap between what Job claimed to know and what he knows.

Where the Verse Sits

The questions of Job 38 are not a random list. One writer groups them in seven parts. This verse opens the fourth part, where God turns from the seen to the unseen:

We come now to these questions about God's creation. They give us a complete cycle of divine truth as shown in His works, grouped in seven parts. (1) The foundations of the earth (verses 4-7). (2) The bounds of the sea (verses 8-11). (3) Day and night (verses 12-15). (4) Unknown depths (verses 16-21). (5) The elements (verses 22-30). (6) The heavenly bodies (verses 31-33). (7) The clouds and their control (verses 34-38).

Samuel Ridout

Secret Things

Having just spoken of light that exposes everything, God now asks about what stays hidden:

In close connection with the all-revealing power of the light, God probes Job further. Does he know secret things? — "which belong to God." The hidden depths of the sea with its countless dead; the gates of death and what lies beyond. Has Job searched this out?

Samuel Ridout

Beneath the Surface

Job could see the surface of the sea and no more. One writer notes how much life that surface hides:

Now God asks Job if he had entered the springs of the sea or walked in search of the depths (v.16)… All the population of earth — human, animals, insects and birds — is nothing compared to the population of the seas. Life fills the seas in all areas and at every level. Job had no idea of what was unseen beneath the surface of the seas.

Leslie M. Grant

Ignorance Before Judgment

Job had been passing verdicts on how God governs the world. The questions strip away his standing to do so:

The first thing God does is to overwhelm the man who pretended to sit in judgment on God's moral ways. He makes him feel his utter ignorance and powerlessness in the least things of divine power, even in creation… The man whose understanding stood baffled at such a question was in no position to judge His deep things… Had Job even visited the fountains of the sea, or gone to explore the secret of the great deep?

William Kelly

The Aim of the Questions

Another writer states the purpose behind all these questions. He adds that time has not closed the gap:

These questions cover every department of what man calls the "natural sciences." They take in geology, meteorology, geography, oceanography, astronomy, and more. Job had not a single answer to these questions and if he had spoken his words would have been folly. And we, 3000 years or more later, still cannot answer these questions in a satisfactory way. All our boasted progress and our scientific discoveries of the great laws of nature have not changed that… But what is the aim of the Lord in asking these questions? To show that God is greater than man and to humble man, to bring Job to the needed true knowledge of himself and to deliver him from the pride of his heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

Only Earthly Things

Everything God asks about here belongs to the visible world:

It is enough to show what God said to overwhelm Job in his self-confidence. His ignorance was so great and his powerlessness was evident. He lacked the wisdom to enter into even the outer works of God. And, after all, what was God speaking about? Earthly things… And Job is completely unable to answer one of these questions. In fact they are not answered to this day, for all the bragging of science. If that is the case about earthly things, what about the heavenly?

William Kelly

From Ocean Depths to God's Depths

One writer turns God's question back on the reader:

One of the questions God asked Job was, "Have you walked in the recesses of the deep?" I would ask myself and others this. Are we content with the outward side of Christianity? Or have the deep things of God gripped our hearts in power?… Are we content with only a surface knowledge of the things of God? Or do we know, in the power of the Spirit of God, the blessedness of the deep things of God that He has revealed to us?

F. A. Hughes

The Result

The questioning is not cruelty; it works something in Job that argument never could:

But this message tests and humbles man. He who boasted in his righteousness, who seemed to consider his knowledge enough, is obliged to own his ignorance, weakness, and his unrighteousness. It is divinely done, and done so effectively that the lesson brings Job to his true place for all time.

Samuel Ridout

Summary

- Depth exposes. The verse opens God's section on "unknown depths." He turns from what light reveals to what stays hidden — the secret things that belong to Him alone.

- Depth unexplored. Job had never entered the sea's springs or walked its floor. A whole world of life lay under a surface he could only look at.

- Depth disqualifies. A man baffled by the ocean was in no position to sit in judgment on God's moral ways.

- Depth humbles. The aim was not information but to bring Job to a true knowledge of himself and free him from the pride of his heart.

- Depth invites. These were only earthly things. The same question still presses. Are we content with surface Christianity, or have we entered the deep things of God?

Job 38:17

Have the gates of death been revealed unto thee? and hast thou seen the gates of the shadow of death?

God's questioning of Job moves down from the springs of the sea to the one place no living person has ever explored — the realm of the dead. This is not a riddle about geography. Job has been arguing about God's ways, so God asks him one thing: does he know where death takes people?

What the Gates Are

Where the ESV has "the gates of deep darkness," older translations read "the shadow of death." One commentator explains what lies behind those gates:

Now He goes down lower still. Sheol, or Hades, as we have it — that is, the place where departed spirits are kept — is pictured here as the heart of the earth, and it may in fact be so. It is not the same thing as the lake of fire. But here we have a prison for those who have died.

William Kelly

The Force of the Question

Another writer weighs the question against all the dead the world has already swallowed:

Had the gates of death been opened to him? (v.17). Of course the seas have swallowed countless millions of people, including those drowned in the flood of Noah's day. But apart from this, did Job understand where death had taken all those it had claimed through the years?

Leslie M. Grant

Why God Asks

God's questions come in a long chain. One commentator explains what they were doing to Job:

The first thing God does is to overwhelm him. This man claimed to sit in judgment on God's moral ways. So God fills him with a sense of his utter ignorance and helplessness before the least works of divine power, even in creation… A man whose understanding was baffled by such a question was in no position to judge God's deep things… Had the gates of death been revealed to him?

William Kelly

Another writer names the aim behind the whole series:

What is the aim of the Lord in putting these questions? To show that God is greater than man and to humble man, to bring Job to the needed true knowledge of himself and to deliver him from the pride of his heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

Still Addressed to Us

One commentator ties this question to the "secret things" that belong to God, and puts it to readers now:

Does he know the secret things — those "which belong to God"? The hidden depths of the sea with its countless dead; the gates of death and what lies beyond. Has Job searched this out?… Does modern science truly know it?… Jehovah addresses these questions not only to Job, whose knowledge was limited to his own time, but to people today.

Samuel Ridout

The same writer points to where the answers lie:

What is the key to all these questions? It is God, the true knowledge of Himself. Knowing Him, we know the Author and Source of all knowledge. Leave Him out, and the sum of all science is a blank wall, with the hidden truth still lying beyond it.

Samuel Ridout

What the Questions Produced in Job

The questions had an effect. Job answered God twice:

Job had dared to sit in judgment on Jehovah and His ways. So God tests whether he is fit for it: what does he know? What can he do?… Job's two answers show the effect. In the first, he humbles himself and lays his hand on his mouth. In the second, he fully confesses his sinful pride and hates what he is. This prepares the way for his outward recovery and return to prosperity.

Samuel Ridout

The Gates Finally Opened

No man could answer God's question — but One has since passed through those gates and come back:

In no other way could the gates of death be opened for us than by His resurrection from the dead. He has opened them, and He holds their keys, as the One who lives forever. To all who put their faith in Him He says, "Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades" (Rev. 1:17-18). He is Master of death and the grave… He has flooded the darkness of death with the light of hope.

J. T. Mawson

Summary

- Gates. The question points to Sheol, where departed spirits are kept. It is a prison for the dead, and it is not the lake of fire.

- Locked. Job had never been through them. He could speak about death, but he did not know where death had taken the millions it had claimed.

- Purpose. God asks what Job cannot answer. The aim is to humble a man who sat in judgment on His ways and to free him from the pride of his heart.

- Ours. The questions still stand. They reach people today, and without the knowledge of God all our science ends at a blank wall.

- Opened. Job laid his hand on his mouth. We have the answer he never got: Christ has opened the gates of death by rising, and He holds the keys of Death and Hades.

Job 38:18

Hath thine understanding compassed the breadths of the earth? Declare if thou knowest it all.

God is questioning Job out of the storm, and now He turns from hidden things to something Job could see — the earth's own expanse. The question tests whether Job, who had argued about God's ways, can measure even the ground under his feet.

Placing the Question

The sequence of questions moves from what lies hidden to what lies open, and Job fails at both.

Now He comes up to the surface. "Have you perceived the breadth of the earth?" What do you know about it? "Declare if you know it all."

William Kelly

What "Comprehended" Asks

Measuring a thing is not the same as taking it in. The question still stands after every advance in knowledge.

"Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? Declare, if you know all this" (v.18). In Job's day he surely did not know that the earth was formed as a huge ball turning in space. Even today we are told the earth is 25,000 miles around. Who can grasp how great that is? Scientists have learned a great deal about God's creation. Yet the more they learn, the clearer it becomes that their ignorance is far greater than their knowledge.

Leslie M. Grant

Addressed To Every Generation

The question did not stop with Job. It reaches the reader with the same force.

Does he know secret things? — "which belong to God." … Has he fully known the expanse of the earth — all that it contains? Does modern science really know it? … The Lord asks these questions not only of Job, whose knowledge was limited to his own day, but of people today.

Samuel Ridout

Why God Asks At All

God's question is not after information. It aims at the man who cannot answer it.

Job had not a single answer to these questions, and if he had spoken his words would have been folly. … But what is the aim of the Lord in putting these questions? To show that God is greater than man, and to humble man. It was to bring Job to the true knowledge of himself that he needed, and to free him from the pride of his heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

Great Things And Small Alike

God does not only humble Job with what is vast. He points to the smallest things He has made, and the effect is the same.

So it is clear that God is bringing all Job's proud talk to nothing. But He is not satisfied with showing how small man is by what is vast. He also takes up things we might think are small by comparison. … So it makes little difference whether we look at the greatest of God's works or at the least. Everywhere we meet something completely beyond the reach of man. … Job had even claimed to judge the moral depths of God. Yet he could not face, and had no real idea of, what God is in the smallest part of His universe.

William Kelly

From Earth To Eternity

Everything God names here belongs to the visible world. That limit is part of the argument.

It is enough to show what God said to overwhelm Job's self-confidence. His ignorance was great. His powerlessness was plain. He lacked the wisdom to enter even the outer works of God. And, after all, what was God speaking about? Earthly things. … Job cannot answer even one of these questions. In fact no one has answered them to this day, for all the boasting of science. If that is how it stands with earthly things, what about the heavenly? What about the eternal things? There we depend on God completely. We know nothing but what He tells us, and this is all our blessing.

William Kelly

Where The Answers Begin

These questions do have a key, and it is not found by measuring.

What after all is human knowledge but a knowledge, as Socrates said, of our ignorance? … What is the key to all these questions? It is God, the true knowledge of Himself. Knowing Him, we know the Author and Source of all knowledge. Leave Him out of account, and the sum of all science is a blank wall, beyond which the hidden truth still lies.

Samuel Ridout

Summary

- Question — God asks Job about the ground under his feet: has he taken in the whole expanse of the earth?

- Ignorance — Job had no answer, and neither has anyone since. The more we learn about creation, the plainer our ignorance becomes.

- Everyone — These questions are not only Job's. They reach people today with the same force, because secret things belong to God.

- Humbling — Their aim is the man, not the facts: to show God greater than man, and to free Job from the pride of his heart.

- Dependence — If earthly things defeat us, heavenly and eternal things leave us wholly dependent on God. Knowing Him is where all real knowledge starts.

Job 38:19

Where is the way to where light dwelleth? and the darkness, where is its place,

Commentary for this verse has not been generated yet.

Job 38:20

That thou shouldest take it to its bound, and that thou shouldest know the paths to its house?

God keeps questioning Job, and this question treats light and darkness as if each had a home of its own. Could Job lead them back there? The point is not science but authority. A man who cannot lead the daylight home cannot judge how God treats a sufferer.

Light and darkness pictured as having a home

The verse pictures two places, each with a road leading to it. One commentator renders the lines this way:

What is the way the light dwells, and darkness, where is its place, that you might bring it to its boundary, and that you might know the path to its house? You know! for you were then born, and the number of your days is great.

William Kelly

That is this writer's own translation of verses 19–21; the ESV speaks of taking it "to its territory" and discerning "the paths to its home."

A question that would never have occurred to a man

God is not asking Job for information.

Could Job take the light or the darkness back to its original place of dwelling? (v.20). The very question would not have arisen in men's minds, but God raises it simply to show how greatly man's knowledge is limited. The irony of verse 21 is striking. Was Job born when light first appeared? Had he lived so many years? Of course God means these words only to put Job in his place.

Leslie M. Grant

Still unanswered today

Job was not the last person stuck for an answer.

What is the "home," or origin of light, or of darkness? Men have been asking about "the origin of evil." What do they know apart from divine revelation? In recent years modern science has seen more clearly that the sun is not the origin of light. Light exists apart from the sun and apart from any other visible source. Jehovah addresses these questions not only to Job, whose knowledge was limited to his own time, but to people today.

Samuel Ridout

Another writer moves from the puzzle of light in nature to the One behind it.

In Job 38 God asked Job two questions, "Where is the way to where light dwells?" (v. 19) and "By what way is the light parted?" (v. 24). Where does light come from and what is its nature? These are natural things, things we see in nature, and they are almost impossible to explain. How much more is this true of Him who is the source of all light?

Arend Remmers

Why God asks instead of explaining

God's questions here cover every field of knowledge. They have one aim.

What questions these are. They cover every field of what man calls "natural sciences" — geology, meteorology, geography, oceanography, astronomy, and so on. Job had not a single answer to these questions. If he had spoken, his words would have been folly… But what is the Lord's aim in asking them? To show that God is greater than man, and to humble man. It is to bring Job to the true knowledge of himself that he needs, and to free him from the pride of his heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

From the smallest things to the deepest ways

Here is the logic of the whole speech. God shows Job only the edge of His power, and Job already has no answer.

Jehovah only touches the edges of His power, the outer region of His glory. Yet what had man to say? What could Job answer? Not a word… And did the man who could not explain God's smallest works dare to judge the deepest part of His ways and plans? For is anything so deep as His purposes, His affections, and His ways with the saints He loves? And all this while they are weak and face a mighty, cunning enemy.

William Kelly

Mercy hidden inside the challenge

These questions are not only crushing. One writer finds a hint of hope in them.

Shall Job accuse One who is Light, who sees all things as they are? Shall he doubt One who knows the secrets of his heart, and the reason for this discipline? Do not these questions give a hint that God will cause Job's night to end, and at the appointed time cause His dawn to visit the poor sufferer?

Samuel Ridout

Summary

- Question — Can Job lead light and darkness home to their own borders? The question is there to show how little a man knows.

- Ignorance — Where light comes from was beyond Job. Writers say it is still beyond us, so the question reaches readers today.

- Irony — God adds that Job must know, since he was born back then. The line puts Job in his place.

- Purpose — God asks all this to humble man, to give Job a true knowledge of himself, and to free him from pride.

- Argument — God stays with His smallest works. A man who cannot explain those cannot judge His deepest dealings with those He loves.

Job 38:21

Thou knowest, for thou wast then born, and the number of thy days is great!

God has just asked Job where light and darkness live. Now He adds a line about Job's own age, as if Job had been alive when light began.

Question or irony

Some versions render the line as a question. Others read it as irony. One writer says the choice does not change what God is saying:

In close connection with the all-revealing power of the light, God probes Job further. Does he know secret things? — "which belong to God." What is the "home," or origin, of light, or of darkness? Whether we regard verse 21 as a question, as in our version, or as a statement in divine irony — "You know it, for then you were born" — the meaning is obvious.

Samuel Ridout

What Job is being asked about

The subject just before this verse is where light and darkness come from. That is not a settled matter even now:

"Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness?" (v.19). God had said, "Let there be light" on the first day of the remaking of the earth (Gen. 1:3), before the sun was set in its place on the fourth day. Some scientists thought the sun was the source of light. Further study has convinced them that light exists apart from the sun. Where does it come from? We do not know any more about this than Job did. So the origin of light and the origin of darkness are matters of which mankind is totally ignorant.

Leslie M. Grant

The sting in "the number of your days"

The irony points at Job's own years:

Could Job take the light or the darkness back to its original place of dwelling? (v.20). The very question would not have arisen in men's minds. God raises it only to show how limited man's knowledge is. The irony of verse 21 is striking. Was Job born when light was introduced? Had he lived so many years? Of course these words of God are simply intended to put Job in his place.

Leslie M. Grant

Still unanswered today

These questions were not aimed only at a man of the ancient world. The same paper lies open in front of every generation:

And yet let not modern science claim the ability to answer where Job could not. Outward knowledge has advanced. Men have discovered great laws and principles of nature. But can today's scientist give truer and more satisfying replies to these questions from God than Job could? What, after all, is human knowledge but a knowledge, as Socrates said, of our ignorance? What is the key to all these questions? It is God, the true knowledge of Himself. Knowing Him, we know the Author and Source of all knowledge. Leave Him out of account, and the sum of all science is a blank wall, beyond which the hidden truth still lies.

Samuel Ridout

Why God asks at all

God has an aim in all this questioning, and it concerns Job himself:

What questions these are. They cover every department of what man calls "natural sciences" — geology, meteorology, geography, oceanography, astronomy. Job had not a single answer to these questions, and if he had spoken, his words would have been folly. But what is the Lord's aim in putting these questions? To show that God is greater than man and to humble man, to bring Job to the needed true knowledge of himself and to deliver him from the pride of his heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

From light and darkness to the unseen

Everything God has raised so far is visible and earthly. That is the force of the argument:

And after all, what was God speaking about? Earthly things. Every one of these things is merely natural, and has to do with what is visible, what is seen and temporal. And Job is completely unable to answer even one of these questions. In fact they are not answered to this day, for all the boasting of science. If that is the case about earthly things, what about the heavenly? What about the eternal things? There we are entirely and absolutely dependent upon God. We know nothing but what He tells us, and this is all our blessing.

William Kelly

Summary

- Ignorance. Question or irony, the verse lands the same way. Job cannot say where light lives. He was not there when it began.

- Ignorance still. The origin of light and darkness is still beyond us. New discoveries mainly show us how little we know.

- Ignorance humbled. God's aim is not to crush Job but to break his pride and bring him to true knowledge of himself.

- Ignorance answered. The key to every one of these questions is God Himself; leave Him out and all knowledge ends at a blank wall.

- Ignorance turned to trust. If the visible world defeats us, we can only take the eternal world from God's hand. That dependence is our blessing.