Dost thou mark the ancient path which wicked men have trodden?
Eliphaz points Job to a road other men have already walked, and asks if he means to stay on it. Two questions decide how we read the verse: who walked that road, and was it fair to put Job on it?
Writers agree on the road he means: the generation destroyed by the flood. They also agree he is right about the root of their ruin.
F. B. HoleIn verses 15-18 we have a reference to the flood. Job had just spoken of wicked men who said to God, "Depart from us." Here Eliphaz asks if Job had really taken that to heart, as it was shown in the world before the flood. What men did after the flood, as they lapsed into idolatry, was just what had been done before the flood. Eliphaz is quite right about the root of all their appalling wickedness. It was departure from God, shutting Him out of their lives and even out of their thoughts.
The lines describe men cut off early, with their foundation washed away. One writer renders the passage this way:
William KellyWill you keep to the old way that wicked men walked? They were snatched away before their time, and a flood poured on their foundation. They were saying to God, "Depart from us; and what could the Almighty do for them?" And He filled their houses with good!
The picture is of prosperity that collapses at the exact point where it seemed most secure.
Samuel RidoutA flood swept away their seemingly solid foundations — or, to put it more exactly, turned those foundations into a flood. The meaning is the same either way. There may be a reference to the days of Noah, when people ate and drank, married, and were given in marriage, "until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all."
Eliphaz borrows Job's own words and turns them against him.
Samuel RidoutEliphaz turns from such contempt for God in horror — and we may believe he is sincere: "The counsel of the wicked be far from me." He is quoting the very words of Job (Job 21:16). Why will he not credit his old friend with the same hatred of evil that he claims for himself? Instead of this, it would almost seem that he is expressing his disgust at Job, associating him with those who defy God.
The accusation has no footing in anything Job had said.
William KellyJob was as sincere in his hatred of that defiance as Eliphaz was, and Eliphaz had no real ground for casting such blame on him. It was the bitter fruit of his hard, narrow, misleading theory of present affliction.
Job had answered his friend Zophar with a point Eliphaz never takes up: many wicked men live out their lives comfortably.
Leslie M. GrantHe totally ignores what Job had argued in his answer to Zophar about many wicked men being cut down (ch.21:7-17), for he had no answer for this... He considered that the wicked would be cut down before their time, like Job was being cut down. So he side-steps the truth that many wicked men fill out their lives in pleasure without any trouble falling on them.
Commentators say both men were right in part, and that what Eliphaz saw still speaks to our own day.
F. B. HoleJob's point was that God often prospered the wicked, and their judgment only came at the end. Eliphaz insisted that God did step in with judgment, as the flood had shown. Both it seems were right. In our own day we can see the terrible results of men dismissing God from their thoughts and lives. If God is turned out like this, every kind of evil comes in.
One writer pressed the question on his hearers as a personal one, not a piece of history:
W. T. P. WolstonNow, my friends, if you have never marked this way before, I ask you earnestly tonight to mark it... For the careless, thoughtless man of the world, who lives in pleasure and sin, I think the question of Eliphaz here is very important... They did not want God. They did not like God. They heard of God, yet they would not take His warnings, spoken through Enoch and Noah.
- The way — Eliphaz points to a road already walked. It belongs to the generation before the flood, whose ruin began when they shut God out.
- The words — "Depart from us" is the whole sin in three words. God filled their houses with good, and the flood swept those same houses away.
- The wrong turn — he takes Job's own hatred of wickedness, quotes it back at him, and uses it to place Job on that road.
- The dodge — the flood lets him skip Job's argument that many wicked men live out their days in peace.
- The truth left standing — the accusation was false, the warning is not; turn God out, and every kind of evil comes in.
Who were carried off before the time, whose foundation was overflowed with a flood;
These are the words of Eliphaz, one of Job's three friends — not the words of God. He points Job to "the old way" that wicked men walked — men snatched off the earth early, their foundation washed out from under them. The picture is true enough in itself. The question is whether it proves anything about the suffering man sitting in front of him.
All through the book Job's three friends argue one theory. One writer sums it up and names its flaw:
J. N. DarbyThey press the doctrine that God's rule of this world is a full measure and display of His righteousness, and of the righteousness in man that would match it. That doctrine shows total ignorance of what God's righteousness is, and of His ways. It also shows no real knowledge of what God is, or of man as a sinner... though they say many true commonplace things which even the Spirit of God adopts as just.
So the history Eliphaz cites can be true while his use of it is false.
Being cut off early and having a foundation carried off by water are two pictures of one collapse. The second can be put two ways:
Samuel RidoutEliphaz comes back to his often-repeated example of the wicked and their punishment. He describes how they prosper for a time, and the judgment that is sure to overtake them. Like grass that grows up only to be cut down and withered, they perished before their time. Their foundations looked solid, but a flood swept them away — or perhaps, more exactly, turned into a flood. The meaning is the same in either case.
The point of the figure is that what looked like bedrock was water all along.
The "old way" Eliphaz means is the way of the world before the flood. Job had just described men who tell God to leave them alone; Eliphaz turns that back on him:
F. B. HoleIn verses 15-18 we have a reference to the flood. Job had just spoken of wicked men who said to God, "Depart from us." Here Eliphaz asks if Job had really taken this to heart, as the world before the flood showed it. What men did after the flood, when they slipped into idolatry, was just what men had done before it. Eliphaz is quite right about the root of all their appalling wickedness. It was turning away from God, and shutting Him out of their lives and even out of their thoughts.
Genesis tells us what that generation did. Job tells us what they said and why. One writer shows how the books fill each other out:
W. T. P. WolstonGenesis does not tell us that they spoke so boldly and sinfully. But Job does. One book of Scripture seldom gives you the only statement of a truth, or the whole history of a man or of men and their ways. Its unity is clear in the number of its writers, all moved by God. Job tells us the motive that moved the men of the world — dislike of God. Paul tells us that Noah acted "in reverent fear" of Him (Heb. 11:7).
Job had already answered this exact line. Eliphaz simply walks past the answer:
Leslie M. GrantHe says these wicked men had been cut down before their time, with their foundations swept away by a flood (v.16). He completely ignores what Job had argued in his answer to Zophar (ch. 21:7-17), for he had no answer to it... he side-steps the truth that many wicked men fill out their lives in pleasure without any trouble at all.
Ridout points to what Eliphaz says next:
Samuel RidoutEliphaz turns in horror from such defiance of God — sincerely, we may believe: "The counsel of the wicked is far from me." But he is quoting the very words of Job. Why will he not allow his former friend the same hatred of evil that he claims for himself?
Neither man had the whole picture:
F. B. HoleJob's point was that God often prospered the wicked and their judgment only came at the end. Eliphaz insisted that God did step in with judgment, as the flood had shown. Both, it seems, were right. And in our own day we can see the dreadful results of men dismissing God from their thoughts and lives. If God is turned out like this, every kind of evil comes in.
- Foundation. Eliphaz describes a life whose base gives way. The ground looked solid. It was really a flood.
- Root. The collapse traces back to one thing: shutting God out of life and even out of thought.
- Record. Genesis tells us what that generation did; this passage tells us what they said and why — "Depart from us."
- Misuse. The history is true. But Eliphaz aims it at the wrong man, and ignores the wicked men who fill out their lives without trouble.
- Balance. Hold both sides together. God does step in, as the flood showed; He often waits, as Job insisted. So no one can read another person's suffering as a verdict.
Who said unto щGod, Depart from us! and what could the Almighty do to them?
Commentary for this verse has not been generated yet.
Yet he filled their houses with good. But the counsel of the wicked is far from me.
Eliphaz is near the end of his third and sharpest speech, and he points back to the generation before the flood. They told God to leave them alone, yet He filled their homes with good things — and Eliphaz, turning from them in disgust, aims that disgust at Job.
Commentators read the men in view as the generation swept away by the flood. God had blessed them first, and they defied Him anyway.
Samuel RidoutLike the grass that grows up only to be cut down and withered, they perished before their time. A flood swept away their seemingly solid foundations... These men before the flood are samples of the ungodly in every age. They had defied the God who had given His blessings to them: "Depart from us!" and what can the Almighty do to them?
Their refusal was not ignorance. They heard God's warnings and pushed them away.
W. T. P. WolstonThey did not want God. They did not like God, and even though they heard of God, they would not accept His warnings, spoken by Enoch's and Noah's lips.
One writer reads the verse as Job supplying what another book of the Bible leaves out.
W. T. P. WolstonWe are not told in Genesis that they spoke so boldly and sinfully. But we are told by Job. You rarely get the only statement of the truth, or the whole history of a man or of men and their ways, in one book of Scripture. Its unity is clear in the many writers, all moved by God. We get the motives that moved the men of the world told to us by Job — namely, dislike of God — while Paul tells us that Noah was "moved by fear" of Him (Hebrews 11:7). Job shows God's dealings with men in the words, "Yet he filled their houses with good things — but the counsel of the wicked is far from me."
The second half of the verse is not original to Eliphaz. Job had already said it about himself, and one commentator notes the injustice of turning it back on him.
William KellyIt was no use for Eliphaz to throw Job's own saying back at him here, as he did at the start of his speech. (Compare Job 21:14-16.) Job was as sincere in his hatred of the sentiment as Eliphaz, who had no real ground for reflecting on Job this way. It was the bitter fruit of his hard, narrow, and misleading theory about present affliction.
One commentator takes the disgust as real, and still finds it aimed at the wrong man.
Samuel RidoutEliphaz turns away in horror from such godlessness, and we may believe he is sincere: "the counsel of the wicked is far from me." He is quoting the very words of Job (Job 21:16). Why will he not allow his former friend the same hatred of evil as himself? Instead, it would almost seem that he is expressing his disgust with Job, linking him with those who defy God.
Eliphaz grants the fact: God did give these men good things. But he builds a rule on it that does not hold.
Leslie M. GrantHe admits that the Almighty had filled the houses of the wicked with good things, though they had said to God, "Depart from us." But he thought the wicked would be cut down before their time, as Job was being cut down. So he sidesteps what is plain: many wicked men live out their lives in pleasure without any trouble at all. He says "the counsel of the wicked is far from me." But the counsel of the wicked was just as far from Job as from Eliphaz. Eliphaz wanted this statement to set himself in contrast to Job.
One writer names the fault in his method.
William KellyEliphaz drops his original mildness and deals unfairly with Job's reasoning. He argues falsely himself, turning special instances of God's judgment on the wicked into a sample of His ordinary dealings, and ignoring the righteous.
- Gift. God filled the houses of that generation with good things. His goodness came first, from the very One they were pushing away.
- Refusal. They heard warnings through Enoch and Noah and would not take them. Job records the motive: plain dislike of God.
- Ruin. Their seemingly solid foundations went down in the flood, and they perished before their time.
- Borrowed disgust. Eliphaz's closing line is Job's own line from chapter 21, thrown back at him. The hatred of evil in it was Job's as much as his.
- Wrong rule. Many wicked people live out their days untroubled. One case of judgment does not show God's ordinary way with everyone.