Job 21:17–21

Job 21:17

How often is the lamp of the wicked put out, and cometh their calamity upon them? Doth he distribute sorrows [to them] in his anger?

Zophar has just insisted that the triumph of the wicked is short, so Job throws the claim back as a question: how often does God really put out the lamp of the wicked? The answer decides whether the world we can see is really God settling His accounts.

A Question Aimed at a Rule

Job does not deny that God sometimes strikes an evil man down in plain sight. He denies that such cases are the rule.

Zophar looked only at the particular cases where God deals in judgment with some especially wicked men. And there are such cases every now and then. A man takes God's name in vain and swears to a downright falsehood — perhaps about theft, or some other offence. Now and then such a man drops down dead after it. Well, that is a very unusual thing. Other people swear to it and keep their money, and try to keep their character. But all the while they are heaping up wrath against the day of wrath.

William Kelly

"How Often" Means "How Seldom"

The question is not asking for a number. It is a way of saying "hardly ever," and some translations put it that way outright.

Against Zophar, he reminds him that verse 17 has also been translated "how rarely is the lamp of the wicked put out." How seldom does calamity break in on them, when God scatters "snares" or "lightnings" in His wrath! The psalmist tells us that the ungodly are "like chaff that the wind drives away" (Ps. 1:4). That is true. But Job reminds his hearers that this seldom takes place in the present life; it is kept for the "judgment."

Samuel Ridout

Job Grants the Other Side

Job does not simply contradict his friends. He allows what is true in their words and refuses what is false.

"How often is the lamp of the wicked put out!" Here, as you can see, he acknowledges the other side; and it is no less true that God does not leave Himself without witness. He insists that the present world is no expression of God's moral government. But he acknowledges that a divine blow falls on men in the middle of their apparent prosperity. In a moment their lamp is put out. So he admits there are exceptional dealings.

William Kelly

Where the Friends Went Wrong

His friends had built their whole case on one rule about how God governs the world.

They urge the doctrine that God's government of the earth is a full measure and display of His righteousness, and of the righteousness of man that would match it. That doctrine proves total ignorance of what God's righteousness is, and of His ways... He shows that God does make His disapproval of the wicked known. Yet the circumstances the wicked are often found in overthrow the arguments of his friends.

J. N. Darby

Why the Lamp Is Left Burning

If judgment is so rare now, why the delay?

This was what Job found so hard to understand — how those who did evil prospered, while the righteous were persecuted. This is just because the time of judgment has not come. The time of mercy is going on now, and we cannot have mercy and judgment at once. So all is a riddle now.

J. N. Darby

The Practical Warning

Job answers his own question, and then warns his friends what not to do with the answer.

How often, he asks, does their lamp go out, and destruction break on them, as God is pleased to deal out in His displeasure? It may be now and then, hardly often; it is false to say always... Let none then misjudge God's ways, or draw unfounded conclusions from His government at present. Look at these two men, each with a full cup, one of happiness, the other of misery; both lying dead together. Appearances prove nothing but the haste and folly of those who judge before the time.

William Kelly

Summary

- The question: Job's "how often" really means "how seldom." God does not snuff out the wicked like clockwork in this life.

- The concession: it does happen at times, so God is not without witness. Job only denies that it happens always.

- The error: his friends made God's present dealings the full display of His righteousness. The facts overthrow them.

- The reason: the time of mercy is running now, not the time of judgment, and the two cannot run at once.

- The result: judge nothing before the time. Two men die with opposite cups, and appearances settle nothing.

Job 21:18

Do they become as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth away?

Job's friends had pressed one rule: God punishes the wicked here and now. Here Job takes their own picture of wind sweeping chaff off the threshing floor, and turns it into a question.

The picture behind the words

The image comes from harvest work. Grain was trodden out on an open floor, and the wind was let through to separate what had weight from what had none.

When they threshed grain on the threshing floor, they opened doors at both ends. The wind blew through and took away the chaff. The wheat stayed, because it was heavier. The chaff was of no value, and unbelievers have no moral weight.

L M Grant

So the figure says two things at once about the wicked: they have no value, and the wind carries them away.

The question: "how often?"

Job does not deny that the wicked end as chaff. He denies that we see it happen often in this life.

They may be like straw or chaff before the wind, and so death carries them away in the end. But judgment in the present does not seem to fall often.

Leslie M. Grant

Job's admission, and his blind spot

Job does not argue only one side here. He admits the part of his friends' case that stands, though there was more he still had to learn.

He presses the point that the present world does not show God's moral government. But he admits that a blow from God falls on men while they seem to prosper. In a moment their lamp goes out. So he allows for exceptional dealings. There was another kind of dealing that he did not yet see, and he had to learn it. God works among His own by chastening, trial, or discipline. He does this as surely as He may lay His hand on the wicked in solemn judgment.

William Kelly

Real, but still future

If the wind does not carry the wicked off now, when does it? Job looks ahead — and that is where his friends went wrong.

How often, he asks, does their lamp go out? How often does destruction break on them, as God sees fit to measure out in His anger? It may be now and then, hardly often; it is false to say always. The day is coming when the ungodly, instead of prospering, shall be like the chaff which the wind drives away. The friends set the date too early. They fixed their eyes — blinded, sadly — on the present, instead of waiting, as Job did, for the resurrection and the kingdom.

William Kelly

What the verse asks of the reader

Job ends not with a theory but with a restraint. The wicked die in all sorts of ways — some in comfort, some in misery.

One dies quietly, surrounded by prosperity — as the psalm says, the wicked have no pangs in their death. Another is cut off in misery. Both alike reach a common end in the grave. Since that is so, his friends had no business laying down a fixed rule. They claimed that judgment in this life was always a sign of sin in the person affected. They claimed prosperity was always a sign of righteousness. He had found no solution to his own problem. But he could still urge his friends to "judge nothing before the time."

Samuel Ridout

Commentators put the weight in different places. Some stress that God's blows do fall now and then. Others point to the reckoning still to come. All agree on one thing: Job's friends had turned a rare event into a fixed law.

Summary

- Chaff. The picture comes from the threshing floor. The wind carries off the husk because it has no weight. The wicked have no moral weight either.

- Question. Job does not deny the picture. He asks how often anyone sees it. Present judgment on the wicked is the exception, not the rule.

- Concession. Job now admits the truth in his friends' side: God's blow does sometimes fall, and a man's lamp does go out in a moment.

- Timing. The friends set the date too early. They wanted the whole account settled now, instead of waiting for the resurrection and the kingdom.

- Restraint. The wicked die in comfort and in misery alike. So no one can read a person's standing with God from their circumstances. Judge nothing before the time.

Job 21:19

+God layeth up [the punishment of] his iniquity for his children; he rewardeth him, and he shall know [it]

Job's three friends keep insisting that God punishes the wicked in this life. He answers with their own saying about guilt stored up for a man's children: why not make the guilty man himself pay and know it?

The debate behind the verse

Job's friends were not lying. They were saying half of what was true, and Job held the other half.

What Zophar and the others press was only half a truth. And half a truth never sanctifies. What you leave out may be just as important, or even more important, and that was the difference. For all his faults, Job was holding on to the truth, and he looked at it with a larger heart and a more awakened conscience… "God lays up his iniquity for his children; he rewards him, and he shall know it. His eyes shall see his destruction" — Job allowed it might run in the family — "and he shall drink of the wrath of the Almighty."

William Kelly

Guilt stored up for the children

The saying itself is not false. God stated the same principle about Himself, and it lands on parents as a warning.

It can rightly be said, however, that "God lays up one's iniquity for his children." That is, the children may later suffer for their fathers' sins. Exodus 34:7 shows this, where God speaks of "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." This is a warning to parents. Their children will suffer the consequences of their parents' wickedness, and God knows how to repay in a fitting way (v.19).

Leslie M. Grant

The word is "iniquity"

God's own words to Moses name one thing in particular that He visits on later generations.

When Jehovah declared His gracious Name to Moses, He gave him a partial view of His glory. There He named iniquity — not transgression, and not sin — as what He would visit "on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation" (Ex. 34:7).

H J Vine

That word has a definite sense.

Iniquity has to do with perversion: a twisting of any system or order God has established, and of the truth He has made known. The Hebrew word used is avon, which means perversity.

H J Vine

Fact or demand?

Commentators differ on how to read this verse and the next. Is Job stating a fact, or asking God to act? The wording these writers use states it flatly, while the ESV above gives the first line as the friends' own saying. Either way, the man himself is not let off — he will know it.

Verses 19 and 20 state the facts: God lays up the iniquity of the wicked for the children. (Another translation puts these two verses as a wish rather than a fact.) In the end he will see the result of his own evil, though the day is long delayed.

Samuel Ridout

Why the wicked go untouched now

Job's friends read present comfort as proof of God's approval. The mistake was one of timing.

It may fall on his children, not on the man himself, in this world. Job looks on to the judgment, when the evil-doer must suffer. So let no one misjudge God's ways, or draw groundless conclusions from the way He governs now. Look at these two men, each with a full cup, one of happiness, the other of misery; both lying dead together. Appearances prove nothing but the haste and folly of those who judge before the time.

William Kelly

The rule Job's friends broke

Job had no full answer to his own suffering. He still had enough to correct the men sitting in front of him.

Since this is so, it hardly suits his friends to lay down a fixed rule. They said that in this life judgment was always a sign of sin, and prosperity a sign of righteousness, in the people it fell on. Job had reached no answer to his own problem. Even so, he could urge his friends to "judge nothing before the time."

Samuel Ridout

Summary

- Stored — The guilt is laid up, not lost. God keeps an accurate account even when nothing appears to happen.

- Spread — Stored guilt reaches the next generation. Children can suffer the consequences of a parent's wickedness, so the verse warns every parent.

- Specific — What God said He would visit is iniquity: the Hebrew avon, perversity. That is a twisting of the order God set up, not every sin alike.

- Settled later — Job asks that the man himself know it. The payment comes, but the day is long delayed. The friends' error was reading present comfort as God's verdict.

- Suspend judgment — Judge nothing before the time. Prosperity is no proof of righteousness, and trouble is no proof of sin. Two men die together, one happy, one in misery, and appearances have proved nothing.

Job 21:20

His eyes shall see his destruction, and he shall drink of the fury of the Almighty.

Job is answering Zophar, who had just insisted that the wicked man's joy is short and his ruin certain. Job agrees that the wicked man's ruin comes at last. His whole point is that it seldom arrives where Zophar said it would — in plain view, in this life.

Half a truth

Job does not deny that judgment falls. His friends press one half of the truth. Job holds both halves.

What Zophar and the others press was only half a truth. Now half a truth never sanctifies. What you leave out is perhaps of equal, or even greater, importance, and there was just the difference. With all his defect, Job really was holding on to the truth, and he looked at it with a larger heart and a more exercised conscience.

William Kelly

The words in another rendering

Verses 19 to 21 belong together. In this rendering the "destruction" the man sees is a blow, and the lines around it weigh whether the debt falls on the man or on his children.

God lays up his iniquity for his children, He repays him, and he knows it. His own eyes see his blow, and he drinks of the wrath of the Almighty. For what delight has he in his house after him, when the number of his months is cut off?

William Kelly

A statement, or a wish?

Translations divide here. The ESV reads the line as Job's desire — "Let their own eyes see their destruction" — while others read it as a plain statement of fact. Commentators say the point stands either way: the day comes, but it comes late.

The two following verses, 19 and 20, state the facts — another rendering puts them in the form of a desire. God lays up the iniquity of the wicked for the children, "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children." He shall in the end see the result of his evil, though the day is long delayed.

Samuel Ridout

Why the delay matters

Job is not denying judgment. He is saying that what he sees around him will not fit his friends' rule, so the reckoning must fall beyond this life.

While it is true, as the psalmist tells us, that the ungodly are "like the chaff which the wind drives away" (Ps. 1:4), Job reminds his hearers that this seldom takes place in the present life; it is reserved for the "judgment."

Samuel Ridout

Drinking the wrath

The verse says the wicked man will drink. Scripture elsewhere shows what is in the cup, and who empties it.

A cup is in the LORD's hand, and the wine foams. It is full of mixture, and He pours out from it. Surely all the wicked of the earth shall drain off and drink its dregs — what remains for the last, and is the strongest part.

Numerical Bible Notes

What the man cares about

The next line asks what he cares about his household after him. It exposes the motive under the life Job has been describing.

In the end the eyes of the wicked will see his own destruction, and he will drink the wrath of God. But it is a sad comment: "what does he care about his household after him?" Such is the callous selfishness that always goes with a course of wickedness.

Leslie M. Grant

William Kelly traces it to one desire:

Selfishness is at the bottom of all these wicked men who flourish in this world. Even their children are in no way to be compared with the number of their own months. That is what they want — to live as long as possible.

William Kelly

The end that finally arrives

Job could not yet describe the state after death. Commentators point to the account Jesus gave of a rich man. The man in view was respectable, not a criminal.

There is the awful end that awaits them, the awakening like the rich man: "in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes." That was a solemn thing, but it was the Lord who gave us that picture. Nobody could speak with certainty of this until the Lord came. And it does not describe what will be after the resurrection. This is what takes place right after death. And he was not a wicked man in the eyes of the Jews. He was not a drunkard or a thief or a robber. He was a man highly respected, a man marked by self-indulgence.

William Kelly

Summary

- Concession — Job admits the wicked man does see his own ruin and drink the cup. He denies only the timing his friends claimed: soon, and in full view.

- Delay — it seldom takes place in this life. It waits for the judgment, and the day is long delayed.

- Cup — to drink the wrath of the Almighty is to drain the cup in God's hand down to its dregs, the strongest part left for last.

- Selfishness — he cares nothing for his household after him. What he wants is more months of his own life.

- Sight — his own eyes see the blow at last. Commentators point to the rich man in torment as the picture of that moment, right after death.

Job 21:21

For what pleasure should he have in his house after him, when the number of his months is cut off?

Zophar had insisted that the wicked man's triumph is always short. Job answers with what he has seen: men who defy God live long, grow rich, and die at ease. Verse 21 is the sharp point of his reply. If God settles the account with a man's family after he is gone, what does it cost the man himself?

The doctrine Job is dismantling

Job's three friends read life by one fixed rule. A writer states that rule, and then shows what breaks it.

They urge the doctrine that God's government of this world is a full measure and display of His righteousness, and of the righteousness of man that would match it. That doctrine proves total ignorance of what God's righteousness is, and of His ways. It also shows no real knowledge of what God is, or of man as a sinner... Job shows that God does show His disapproval of the wicked. Yet the circumstances the wicked are often found in overthrow the arguments of his friends.

J. N. Darby

Where the reckoning lands

Verse 19 grants that God stores up a man's guilt for his children. One writer accepts that principle and points to Exodus 34:7.

It may rightly be said, however, that "God stores up their iniquity for their children." That is, the children may afterward suffer for their fathers' sins. Exodus 34:7 shows this, speaking of God "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." So this is a warning to parents: their children will suffer the consequences of their parents' wickedness. God knows how to measure out recompense in a fitting way.

Leslie M. Grant

The flaw Job puts his finger on

Job grants the point. Then he asks what it settles.

Job fully admits that there will be a final display of the sin of the wicked. But it is so often seen in the children instead of in themselves. And what do they care for their house after them?... Verses 19 and 20 state the facts, which another translation puts in the form of a wish: God lays up the iniquity of the wicked for the children, "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children." He will see the result of his evil in the end, though the day is long delayed.

Samuel Ridout

Commentators differ on how to render these verses. Some read them as plain statements of fact. Others read them as Job's wish that God would repay the man himself.

What the question reveals about the man

One writer reads the question as a window into the man's heart.

"For what do they care for their houses after them, when the number of their months is cut off?" That is, selfishness is at the bottom of all these wicked men who flourish in this world. And even their children are in no way an object to be compared with the number of their own months. That is what they want — to live as long as possible.

William Kelly

Another writer sets that same indifference beside the end the wicked man meets:

In the end the eyes of the wicked will see his own destruction, and he will drink the wrath of God. But it is a sad comment: "What does he care about his household after him?" Such is the callous selfishness that always goes with a course of wickedness. Though the number of his months is cut in half, this makes no difference to him.

Leslie M. Grant

Why the account is not closed yet

So where does the case get settled? Job and his friends look in different directions.

The friends looked for that day too soon. They fixed their eyes — blinded, sadly — on the present, instead of waiting, like Job, for the resurrection and the kingdom. It may fall on his children, not on the man himself, in this world. Job looks on to the judgment, when the evildoer must suffer. So let no one misjudge God's ways, or draw groundless conclusions from the way He governs now.

William Kelly

Summary

- The rule. The friends hold that what God does now shows what each man is worth. That rule treats this world as the whole account.

- The transfer. Verse 19 allows that God can store up a man's guilt for his children. It is a real warning to parents: consequences pass down.

- The gap. Job's question exposes the flaw. If the blow lands on the family, the guilty man never feels it. And he says he does not care.

- The root. Behind the question is selfishness — his own months matter more to him than his children do.

- The day. The account is not closed at the grave. Job waits for the judgment, for resurrection and the kingdom. His friends read only the present, and conclude too soon.