Job 21:14–16

Job 21:14

And they say unto щGod, Depart from us, for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways!

Job's friends keep insisting that the wicked always come to ruin. He answers by pointing at the world as it is: men who prosper, live long, die at ease — and then tell God to leave them alone.

The setting: prosperity without the rod

Job's argument rests on the picture he paints just before this verse: long life, growing families, music, and no discipline from God.

He looks at the other side, at the case of the prosperous wicked, and points out that evil men often go on unchecked. They live to old age and become mighty in power. Their families grow up about them, and all stays quiet without the rod of God falling upon them. Flocks and herds increase. His children are like a group of lambs skipping about the home — a sad contrast to Job, who has now lost his own. Inside the home you hear tambourine, harp and pipe. All their days are in prosperity until the end comes. Yet these very men said to God, "Depart from us! We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways." Like Pharaoh, they ask, "What is the Almighty that we should serve Him?"

Samuel Ridout

Said by a life, not by a mouth

Few people ever say these words out loud. Job is reading a life, not quoting a conversation. Zophar, mentioned here, is one of the friends arguing with him.

"They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave. Therefore, they say to God, Depart from us." Job's words are far more solemn and more true than the violent picture Zophar had painted. "We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways. What is the Almighty, that we should serve Him? And what do we gain if we pray to Him?" It is not meant that they say that to man, but that is what their conduct says to God.

William Kelly

What they refuse

These men are not refusing every god. They will keep one they invented themselves. What they will not have is God as He has shown Himself to be.

They would gladly have a god of their own imagination, one like themselves, who can make light of sin and tolerate all sorts of evil. The God of the Bible, the God of Christianity, the God of the Cross, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, does not suit such unbelieving reasoners. Their deep cry of heart to Him is, "Depart from us! We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways."

C. H. Mackintosh

The tell-tale silence

The same heart shows up in something anyone can watch: what a conversation is allowed to include.

Why is it that men can talk freely about the world, its business and material progress? They can even talk about moral things, questions of reform, and so on, and they gladly tell you their minds about them. But the moment you speak of God, or Christ, the moment someone sets out the truth and the holiness of God, a soul that is estranged from God shrinks back into silence at once. And the silence shows a state of soul which says to God, "Depart from us! We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways."

Samuel Ridout

Why judgment does not fall at once

Their unbroken comfort is the very thing that troubled Job. Does God's silence mean He is indulgent? And is prayer really the waste they take it for?

Can we imagine that God is indulgent with such an attitude? Certainly not! He shows marvellous patience, but this does not mean indifference. Those who defy God are in a far more dangerous condition than they realise. Future judgment is infinitely more terrible than Job's few years of suffering. They consider they have no profit in praying to God. Such is the self-centred pride of man! They are after present advantage. What they do not know is that even in this life they may find great profit in depending on God's grace.

Leslie M. Grant

A request God finally grants

These words are a request of a kind. The frightening thing is that God grants it at last.

No creature is enough for himself. Even the whole creation is not enough for the creature God has set in intelligent relationship with Himself. God alone can satisfy the heart of man. Unspeakable woe must be the portion of those who said to God, "Depart from us." In the day of judgment they must hear Him say to them, "Depart from me, you cursed." The souls that will not have Him in time need not expect Him to have them in eternity.

James Boyd

Summary

- Depart — spoken by a life. Job is not quoting anyone's speech. What a man's conduct says to God is his real answer to Him.

- Depart — from a God unlike us. They reject God as He actually is. A god of their own design would be welcome.

- Depart — heard in silence. A soul far from God can discuss anything except God. Watch the silence when someone names Christ.

- Depart — met with patience. Unbroken prosperity is not God's approval. He is patient, not indifferent, and the danger is greater than the comfortable man feels.

- Depart — finally granted. The one thing these men ask of God is the one thing He grants at last: "Depart from me, you cursed." Those who will not have Him now cannot expect Him to have them then.

Job 21:15

What is the Almighty that we should serve him? and what are we profited if we pray unto him?

Job is answering Zophar, one of his three friends, and he answers with facts: the wicked often prosper right to the end. Here Job quotes the two blunt questions such men throw back at God — about serving Him, and about praying to Him.

The name they challenge

The word for God in their first question is a particular name. It fills this book more than any other part of the Bible.

This title for God first appears in Genesis 17:1. In seven places the word for God, El, is joined with Shaddai, usually translated The Almighty. Some interpret the name as "Almighty in sustaining resources" (like a mother's breasts for her baby). It occurs 48 times in the Old Testament, and the Book of Job alone claims no less than 31 of them. In that Book one thought stands out above everything else: the Lord is Almighty.

A. J. Pollock

Spoken by conduct, not by lips

Few people say this out loud. Job is reading off a life, not a speech.

"They say to God, 'Depart from us!'" Job's words are far more solemn and more true than the violent Zophar had painted. "We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways. What is the Almighty, that we should serve Him? And what profit do we get if we pray to Him?" They do not say that to man. That is what their conduct says to God.

William Kelly

An early diagnosis of the human heart

Long before the New Testament put it into doctrine, Job had already named what is wrong with man.

First, Job here correctly diagnosed the attitude of the natural man to God. He did it about two thousand years before God inspired Paul to write his letter to the Romans. In the first chapter of that letter we read that men knew God, but "did not honor Him as God or give thanks to Him"; and again, that "they did not see fit to acknowledge God." This is the tremendous fact that we have to face. Sin has cut man off from God so completely that he has not the least desire for Him. "No one seeks for God," as Romans 3 states.

F. B. Hole

Profit as the only measure

The second question in the verse sets up a test: does it pay?

And it is obvious that if men have to do with God, they will have to serve Him. So, in the second place, they look at the whole matter from the standpoint of profit here on earth. This is just what multitudes do today, when they ask, What is the good of being religious; what do we get out of it? They are only echoing the words we have here: "What profit do we get if we pray to Him?" We know that "godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come" (1 Tim. 4:8). But the world has no eyes to see profit like that.

F. B. Hole

Living on the gifts they deny

Job reports this defiance. Then he sets himself apart from it, and says where their wealth came from.

All their days are in prosperity until the end comes. Yet these very men said to God, "Depart from us! We do not desire the knowledge of Your ways." Like Pharaoh, they ask what the Almighty is, that they should serve Him, and what profit they get if they pray to Him. Job describes their profane defiance of God, which goes unrebuked for so long. But he is careful to express his hatred of such impiety. All that they have is from God, not by their own hand. As he says, "the counsel of the wicked is far from me" (verse 16). All this is true, and it bears out the teaching of Psalm 73, where someone goes through the same struggle as Job.

Samuel Ridout

Patience is not indifference

So why does God let such talk stand unpunished?

Can we imagine that God is indulgent with such an attitude? Certainly not! He shows marvellous patience, but this does not mean indifference. Those who defy God are in far more danger than they realise. Future judgment is infinitely more terrible than Job's few years of suffering. They consider they have no profit in praying to God. Such is the self-centred pride of man! What they want is advantage now. In their ignorance they do not realise that even in this life they may find great profit in depending on God's grace.

Leslie M. Grant

Summary

- Almighty. The name they wave away is Shaddai, "Almighty in sustaining resources" — the very title that fills the book of Job.

- Conduct. Few people say these words aloud. A comfortable life says them to God without opening its mouth.

- Diagnosis. Job named the natural heart two thousand years before Romans did: no desire for God, and no one seeking Him.

- Profit. Judge God by what He pays out, and prayer looks pointless. Godliness holds promise for this life and the next — the profit such eyes cannot see.

- Reckoning. Their wealth came from the God they dismiss. His patience is not indifference, and judgment is still to come.

Job 21:16

Behold, their prosperity is not in their hand. The counsel of the wicked be far from me!

Job has just described wicked men who prosper: they live in comfort, they defy God, and they laugh at the thought of praying to Him. Verse 16 is his turn away from them — he says where their good really comes from, and he wants no part in their thinking.

Not of Their Own Making

The first half of the verse asks where these men's prosperity comes from. Older translations read it as a plain statement: "Lo, their good is not in their hand." The writers quoted here use that older wording, and the point is the same either way:

They may think their prosperity is in their own hands, that they have only themselves to thank for this. How false indeed! God is the Giver of every earthly thing as well as every spiritual one. But men do not give God the credit due to Him (v.16). No wonder Job says, "The counsel of the wicked is far from me."

Leslie M. Grant

A Testimony Against the Charge

In the second half Job speaks about himself. His friends had been treating him as one of the wicked men he has just described. This is his answer:

Job declares they reject and defy God; they laugh at the thought of praying to Him. Then he gives his own personal testimony: "the counsel of the wicked is far from me." In this he shows his friends that they are wrong to class him with the wicked.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

Farther Off Than His Friends

One writer reads this as a real parting from the company of such men — a parting his three friends had not made:

"Lo, their good is not in their hand; the counsel of the wicked is far from me." Job was farther from these people than his three friends. It is very possible that these three friends liked to be on good terms with people who were doing so well, for that is a very common snare. People like to be in what they call "good company," and to be respected by people who are respectable in this life; but where is Christ in all that? Our hearts are called to be with what Christ values, and with those whom Christ loves. I do not say we are not to have compassion for the very worst of people — of course we should; but this love is of a different kind altogether.

William Kelly

The Other Side

Job does not deny the other half of the picture. The same writer notes what he grants:

Here you can see that he admits the other side. It is just as true that God does not leave Himself without witness. He presses the point that the present world is no expression of God's moral government. But he admits that, while men look prosperous, God's blow falls on them; in a moment their candle goes out. So he does allow for these exceptional dealings.

William Kelly

Where the friends went wrong was in pressing one side only:

You see, what Zophar and the others press, was only a half a truth. Now half a truth never sanctifies. What you leave out is perhaps of equal, or, it may be, of still greater importance, and there was just the difference. With all his defect, Job really was cleaving to the truth, and he looked at it with a larger heart and with a more exercised conscience.

William Kelly

The Same Trouble as Psalm 73

Job is not the only one in Scripture who wrestles with this. One writer ties verse 16 to a psalm on the same subject:

Job describes how openly these men defy God, and how long that goes unchecked. Even so, he takes care to say how much he hates such contempt for God: "Lo, their good is not by their own hand" (all that they have is from God); "the counsel of the wicked is far from me" (v. 16). All this is true, and it bears out the teaching of Psalm 73, where someone goes through the same trial he does.

Samuel Ridout

Another writer traces where the psalm-writer finally landed: "it was only when the Psalmist entered the 'sanctuary of God' that he understood their end (verse 17), and it is the end that matters."

Summary

- Source. Everything the prospering wicked hold came from God, not from themselves. They refuse Him the credit.

- Separation. The gift is God's, and the defiance is theirs. So Job wants no part in their way of thinking.

- Company. Job stood farther from these men than his friends did. Wanting to stand well with prosperous people is a common snare.

- Balance. Job admits that God's blow does sometimes fall on such men. His friends pressed that half of the truth and left out the rest — and half a truth never sanctifies.

- Echo. Job's trial is not unique. Verse 16 bears out the teaching of Psalm 73, where someone else goes through the same struggle.