Job 12:23–25

Job 12:23

He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them; he spreadeth out the nations, and bringeth them in;

Job's friends treated his ruin as proof that God had judged him. He answers by pointing away from himself to whole nations, which rise and fall under the same hand.

Nations Made Great, Then Unmade

Both movements in the verse belong to God. He builds nations up, and He breaks them down. One writer draws out why.

God could and did make nations great, and then as He saw fit, destroy them. He could enlarge the nations and guide them too. But then He could take away the understanding of the chiefs of the people. That leaves the nation on a wandering wilderness path, groping in the dark without light, made to stagger like a drunkard (vv. 23-25). So the nations are an object lesson for all mankind. God blesses them and they become proud of themselves, and so they need the humbling dealings of God.

Leslie M. Grant

Nothing Among Men Stands Still

Job has just listed counsellors led away stripped, judges made fools, kings unbelted, elders losing their judgment. The nations are the last item in that list, and the whole list points one way.

There are all kinds of change. There is nothing, then, that shows the settled judgment of God. Everything among men is in a state of flux — a constant flow and change. So nothing could be more foolish than the basis of the three friends' attack on Job… And that is what happens where people trust in men.

William Kelly

Job Saw the Pattern and Could Not Explain It

Job is not speaking from theory here. He had lived long enough to watch peoples swell and then vanish, and the sight left him with a question rather than an answer.

From verse 13 to the end of this chapter Job reviewed the ways of God in His dealings with men. He acknowledged that "wisdom and strength" are His, and so are "counsel and understanding." Yet he felt that the way God uses these wonderful qualities was full of mystery… He lived in days when, after the flood, nations had come into being. He had seen such increased and then destroyed. Now why was this?

F. B. Hole

A Truth Known Long Before Athens

Commentators tie this verse to Paul's preaching in Athens. One writer traces every nation back to a single race, and the scattering of that race to the time after the flood.

The apostle asserts one true God and one common race. Their fears, their independence from God, and their self-centred confidence in man… brought on dispersion through the different languages, in their lands, after their tongues, their families, and their nations. Up to the flood mankind was only one community… God had not yet set up government as a human institution holding authority from Him. When He did, it was left neither to fate nor to chance, but He determined the seasons, and the limits of their dwelling. Job 12:23 and what follows shows, from early days, how clearly those who feared God knew this.

William Kelly

There is a difference of emphasis, though, between Job and the apostle. Job stresses God's freedom to do as He pleases with nations; Paul adds the purpose behind it.

It is worth comparing how Job handles the same truth in general (Job 12:23-25). He dwells more on the side of God's sovereignty. The nations may be proud and indifferent towards Him, yet to Him they are "like a drop from a bucket," and are accounted "as the dust on the scales" (Isa. 40:15). But the inspired preacher, with glowing heat, presses the moral aim of God's generous arrangements on the grandest scale: that they might seek Him, and perhaps feel after Him and find Him.

William Kelly

The Lesson Job Missed

Job was right about God and wrong about himself. He described God's power over kings and peoples with accuracy. He never turned that truth on his own case.

He says of God, "He uncovers deep things out of darkness, and brings the shadow of death to light" (v. 22). Job was living through the pangs of darkness himself. He could not uncover deep things from the darkness, nor bring light from the shadow of death. But he realised God can do this. Could He not do it in Job's case? Yes indeed, and He did so before long.

Leslie M. Grant

Verse 22 is quoted there from an older translation. The ESV reads, "He uncovers the deeps out of darkness and brings deep darkness to light."

Summary

- Rise — God makes nations great. Growth on the world stage is His work, not the achievement of the people who enjoy it.

- Fall — The same hand destroys and disperses them. Everything among men is in constant flux, so no outcome in this world is a fixed verdict on anyone's standing before God.

- Reason — Nations are an object lesson. God blesses them, they grow proud of themselves, and pride calls for His humbling.

- Reach — God-fearing people knew this long before Paul preached it in Athens. To God the nations are a drop from a bucket, yet He orders their history so that people might seek Him.

- Result — Job stated all of this and still could not apply it to his own darkness. The God who brings hidden things to light did it for him before long.

Job 12:24

He taketh away the understanding of the chiefs of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a pathless waste.

Job is answering his three friends by listing what God does to the great and the wise — counsellors, judges, kings, princes, elders, whole nations. Verse 24 comes near the end: the leaders of nations lose their understanding, and God sends them wandering with no road.

The Point Job Is Making

Job is not preaching a sermon here. He is pulling apart the ground his friends' attack stood on. He does it by showing how changeable human affairs are under God's hand.

There are all kinds of change. There is nothing, then, that shows the settled judgment of God. Everything among men is in flux — a constant flow and change. So nothing could be more foolish than the foundation the three friends stood on in their attack on Job.

William Kelly

God raises and ruins the greatest men without warning. So a man's circumstances tell you nothing about his standing with God.

What Is Taken Away

What God takes is understanding, not armies. Leaders lose the one thing that fitted them to lead, and the nation wanders with them.

God could and did make nations great, and then, as He saw fit, destroy them. He could enlarge the nations and guide them too. But then He could take away the understanding of the chiefs of the people. That reduces the nation to a wandering wilderness path: groping in the dark without light, made to stagger like a drunkard (vv.23-25). So the nations are an object lesson for all mankind. God blesses them and they become proud of themselves, and therefore they need the humbling dealings of God.

Leslie M. Grant

The verses just before show the same pattern in the men everyone relied on.

"He leads counsellors away plundered, and makes fools of the judges." That is, He strips counsellors of the value of their counsel. So man's wisdom comes to nothing, and the judges become foolish. Man's authority becomes as useless as his wisdom.

Leslie M. Grant

Where to Put Your Trust

If God can empty the best leaders like this, where should trust go instead?

To whom can we go but to Him? "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes." No matter how well meaning and honest they may be, they are not equal to untangling the universal tangle. And this is because God is not the beginning of their schemes, nor His glory the end of their measures.

J. T. Mawson

Job Sees It but Misses Himself

Grant points out what Job's own words could have done for him.

If Job had taken time to consider what these things mean, he might not have sunk so low in his miserable state. He sees the facts, but fails to apply their lessons to his own case. He says of God, "He uncovers deep things out of darkness, and brings the shadow of death to light" (v.22). In fact, Job was feeling the pangs of darkness himself. He could not uncover deep things out of the darkness, nor bring light out of the shadow of death. But he realised God can do this. Could He not do it in Job's case? Yes indeed, and He did so before long.

Leslie M. Grant

There is also a warning in how Job paints God in this chapter — all power, and nothing else.

It is a dreadful picture Job has drawn of God by this one-sided description of His greatness. Not a word of His love and mercy. It is in full keeping with his despairing heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

From Mystery to a Mediator

Job's question at the end of the list is why. He grants God every good quality, yet cannot explain what God does with it.

He acknowledged that "wisdom and strength" are His, as well as "counsel and understanding." Yet he felt that God's use of these wonderful qualities was full of mystery. Men who had been wise enough to become chief among the people suddenly lose their understanding. They grope in the dark without a light, or stagger like a drunken man. Now why was this?

F. B. Hole

So he turns from his friends to God Himself. But something he needed was still missing.

"Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God." That is just what he was doing. But how? He did not know. There was not the New Testament yet. There was not One to stand between God and man, like Christ. So he did not know how to get at Him.

William Kelly

Summary

- Given — Understanding in a leader is on loan from God, not owned; He can withdraw it, and the wise become fools.

- Grounded — God raises and ruins the great with no fixed pattern. So no one's prosperity or disaster measures his standing with Him.

- Humbled — Nations are an object lesson. God blesses them, they grow proud, and then they need His humbling dealings.

- Redirected — If the best of princes cannot untangle the world, trust moves off men and onto the Lord.

- Unfinished — Job never applies these truths to himself. He paints God as power without mercy, and longs for Someone to stand between God and man.

Job 12:25

They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunkard.

Job 12 is Job's answer to Zophar, and most of it describes what God does to the great and the wise — counsellors, judges, kings, princes, whole nations. The chapter ends in the dark, which raises two questions: is this a true picture of God, and what does it say about human strength?

Nations Raised And Ruined

Job starts at the largest scale he knows: whole nations. He traces their rise and their ruin to the same hand.

God could and did make nations great, and then as He saw fit, destroy them. He could enlarge the nations and guide them too. But He could also take away the understanding of the chiefs of the people. That reduced the nation to a wandering wilderness path, to grope in the dark without light, made to stagger like a drunkard (vv. 23-25). So the nations are an object lesson for all mankind. God blesses them and they become proud of themselves. So they need the humbling dealings of God.

Leslie M. Grant

The Sudden Loss Of Understanding

The men described here are not fools. They rose to the top because they were able. The verse records the loss of that ability. One commentator ends on the question itself.

He acknowledged that wisdom and strength are God's, as well as counsel and understanding. Yet he felt that God's use of these wonderful qualities was full of mystery. Again and again those who are great and wise — counsellors, judges, kings, princes — are spoiled and overthrown. He lived in days when, after the flood, nations had come into being. He had seen them increased and then destroyed. Men who had been wise enough to become chief among the people suddenly lose their understanding. They grope in the dark without a light, or stagger like a drunken man. Now why was this?

F. B. Hole

Nothing Among Men Stays Fixed

The three friends built their attack on Job on a settled rule. Job answers with reversal after reversal. Nothing among men stays fixed, so their groundwork collapses — and so does any confidence in able men.

There are all kinds of change. So there is nothing that shows the settled judgment of God. Everything among men is in flux — a constant flow and change. So nothing could be more foolish than the groundwork of the three friends in their attack on Job. "They grope in the dark without light, and he makes them stagger like a drunken man." And that is the way it goes where people trust in men.

William Kelly

What Job Leaves Out

Everything Job says about God's power is true. The trouble is what he never says.

It is a dreadful picture Job has drawn of God by the one-sided description of His greatness. Not a word of His love and mercy. It is in full keeping with his despairing heart.

Arno Clemens Gaebelein

How Faith Speaks Instead

Read on its own, the passage leaves you shuddering at raw power. Faith speaks of the same God in a different tone.

It is indeed a great but very sombre picture of omnipotence. We can only shudder at the awful sight. Job's misery has cast a grim light upon all God's greatness. How different is the language of faith: "God is our refuge and strength… therefore we will not fear… Be still, and know that I am God" (Ps. 46). This closes the reply to the second part of Zophar's speech on the greatness of God (vv. 22-25).

Samuel Ridout

Groping, And The Light

The picture of people feeling their way forward without light is not limited to ancient rulers. The same darkness covers anyone with ability and education but no knowledge of God.

Men might be very religious and highly educated, with all the culture of this world's philosophy. Yet without the knowledge of God that is found in Jesus, they walk in darkness and do not know where they are going. They walk in darkness, in ignorance of God, and have no knowledge of what awaits them in time or in eternity. The Christian walks in the light of the revelation of God. He knows that God watches over every step. He has the light of God's word to guide him in every step. And he knows that his path leads into the presence of God, into the eternal light of the Father's house.

An Outline of Sound Words

Summary

- Sovereign — God makes nations great and God ends them. Their rise and fall is a lesson for everyone. Blessing breeds pride, and pride needs humbling.

- Stripped — the men who lose their understanding here are the ablest men. God gave that understanding, and God can take it back.

- Unsettled — everything among men is in flux. So no one can read God's settled judgment off a man's circumstances. That was the friends' mistake, and it is why trusting in men fails.

- One-sided — every word Job says about God's power is true. Yet there is not a word of His love and mercy. Grief can draw an accurate picture and still a distorted one.

- Lit — the answer to groping is not more ability but light. Faith says, "God is our refuge and strength," and walks with God's word lighting every step. That path ends in the presence of God.