And Job answered and said,
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Truly ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you!
Zophar has just spoken to Job with great certainty, as if he held wisdom Job lacked. Job answers with sarcasm so sharp that his words have outlasted the argument. Two questions follow: what made him speak this way, and was he right to?
Job's tone answers Zophar's tone. One writer traces the sarcasm back to Zophar's certainty:
F. B. HoleZophar's speech was full of extreme dogmatism, and that no doubt prompted Job to begin his reply on a very sarcastic note. His words, "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you," have almost passed into a proverb, used against the dogmatism of self-conceit.
Zophar had not simply disagreed with Job. He had claimed insight that Job did not have. The sarcasm aims straight at that claim:
Leslie M. GrantJob's reply to Zophar was understandably sarcastic, "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you!" (v.2). Zophar had implied that he had an inborn wisdom that Job lacked. Job rightly reproved him: "But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you" (v.3). In fact, Zophar had said only what was common knowledge: everyone knew these things.
After the mockery of verse 2 comes a careful claim in verse 3. Job does not answer superiority with superiority:
William KellyJob answers in the next chapters (12-14) and no doubt he repays them too much in their own coin. Well, they deserved that rebuke. "But I have understanding as well as you." Here he was far more considerate than they were, because he did not take the place of being superior. "I have understanding as well as you" — "I am not inferior" — he does not say, "I am superior" — "I am not inferior to you."
The friends' speeches were not false. They were useless. They repeated the obvious to a man in agony:
H. L. RossierIt is astonishing to see how little discernment Job's friends showed at that time. But are we today more intelligent than they were? Do we not often judge before the time? Do God's children not often judge by appearances, despite the solemn warning, "Judge not, that you be not judged"? No wonder Job answers with biting irony, "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you!" What was the use of reciting truisms in flowery language? Such speeches brought neither comfort nor light to the sufferer.
Kelly says the same. The friends were "only talking platitudes, moral platitudes, that every person of the slightest acquaintance with God already knew." They "did not contribute one atom" to the real question: why a God-fearing man fell under such sorrow.
Commentators differ on how to weigh the words. Kelly holds that the friends deserved the rebuke, though Job paid them back too much. Another writer looks at what the pain had done to Job:
Samuel RidoutStung by the charges and platitudes of the friends, Job meets them with bitter sarcasm, followed quickly by the charge of their mocking him. They are at ease, while cherishing their unjust suspicions of him. He almost compares them to robbers, who hold their booty undisturbed (verses 1-6).
Writers have long turned the verse back on the reader. The danger is self-importance, and it shows in how we speak about other believers:
W. W. FeredayLet us note this principle well, for it is greatly needed in this day. Self-inflation — being taken up with our own faithfulness in testimony — breeds critical feelings in our hearts toward the people of God around us. It also puts us right out of the place of intercession with God for them. Need we be surprised, also, if our improper airs draw out from others the sarcastic remark, "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you" (Job 12:2)?
The answer is not to claim we know nothing. What light we have is a gift:
James BoydNone of us can boast of being the people with whom wisdom shall die. Still, God in His grace was pleased to give us a little light. We should thank Him for every ray He has been willing to send into our souls. We should seek His grace to make good use of the light we have received. Only then will we be able to ask for more with confidence.
- Cause. Zophar's dogmatism provoked the sarcasm. He implied he held wisdom Job lacked, yet he said only what everyone knew.
- Claim. Job answers superiority with restraint. He says "not inferior," never "superior." The friends deserved the rebuke, though he paid them back too much.
- Emptiness. True platitudes brought the sufferer no comfort and no light. They added nothing to the real question of his suffering.
- Mirror. The words are now a proverb against self-conceit. Self-inflation breeds a critical spirit and stops us praying for the people we judge.
- Cure. No one owns wisdom. Receive every ray of light as grace, use it well, and then ask for more.
I also have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you; and who knoweth not such things as these?
Job has just listened to Zophar, who spoke as if wisdom belonged to him alone. Here Job's irony turns into a plain claim: he is not the ignorant man his friends assume, and nothing they said was new.
The verse answers one person in particular. Zophar had just finished speaking:
Leslie M. GrantJob's reply to Zophar was sarcastic, and you can see why: "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you!" Zophar had implied that he had a natural wisdom Job lacked. Job was right to correct him: "But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you." In fact, Zophar had said only what was common knowledge: everyone knew these things.
The exact wording matters. Job could have matched their boasting and did not:
William Kelly"But I have understanding as well as you." Here he was far more considerate than they were. He did not put himself in the higher place. "I have understanding as well as you" — "I am not inferior." He does not say, "I am superior." He says, "I am not inferior to you." "Who does not know such things as these?" They were only talking platitudes, moral platitudes, that anyone with the slightest knowledge of God already knew. They gave no light on the very difficult question. How could a devout, God-fearing man fall into such terrible sorrow and suffering? They did not add one atom to that question.
Job's complaint is not that the friends were wrong, but that they were obvious. He had already thought it all through:
H. L. RossierWhat was the use of reciting truisms in flowery language? Such speeches brought neither comfort nor light to the sufferer. "Who does not know the same?" asks Job. He then shows that he had thought their questions over carefully long ago. He can develop them in all their variety — not in a one-sided way, as Zophar did.
The claim of equal understanding does not stand alone. It runs straight on into an accusation about the comfortable position his friends were speaking from:
Samuel RidoutThe charges and platitudes of the friends sting Job. He meets them with bitter sarcasm, and then charges them with mocking him. They are at ease, while holding on to their unjust suspicions of him.
Job can speak about the greatness of God as well as any of them. That ability has a limit:
C StanleyHe too can speak well about the majesty of God in all His ways. But this cannot settle the question: how can a man who is a sinner be just before God? A man may speak well about the stars and the stones. He may have all the learning of this world. Yet he may still be unable to say clearly how God justifies the sinner.
The friends could not explain Job's suffering. Their failure did one thing they never intended:
The Bible TreasuryThey could not understand why such a perfect and upright man as Job should be tried so hard. So, after seven days of silence, their hints and false charges drove that patient man to cry out in bitterness of soul, "Miserable comforters are you all." They might have helped in an ordinary case. But here an outstandingly righteous man had lost every earthly possession in a way never seen before, and their tongues were dumb. They did not understand God's ways with His own at all. So they made Job feel how completely unable they were to help him, and threw him back on God Himself.
- Provocation. Zophar spoke as though wisdom were his alone. Job's sarcasm is the answer to that.
- Parity. Job claims only equality — "I am not inferior," never "I am superior." He refuses the very pride he is rebuking.
- Platitude. The friends offered common knowledge in fine language. It gave no light on why a God-fearing man was suffering.
- Powerlessness. A man may speak well about the majesty of God and still not be able to say how God justifies a sinner.
- Purpose. Their inability to help was not wasted: it threw Job back on God Himself.
I am to be one that is a derision to his friend, I who call upon +God, and whom he will answer a derision is the just upright [man].
Job's friends have charged him with sin and answered his pain with platitudes. Here he names what has happened to him: the sufferer has become the joke, and the prayers God once answered are thrown back at him.
There is an order to Job's reply. It starts with how the friends' words landed on him.
Samuel RidoutStung by the charges and platitudes of the friends, Job meets them with bitter sarcasm, followed quickly by the charge of their mocking him. They are at ease, while holding on to their unjust suspicions of him. He almost compares them to robbers who keep their stolen goods undisturbed.
The middle clause is the sharpest part of the verse. Job once called on God, and God answered him. His friends now repeat that fact back to him as a sneer.
Arno Clemens GaebeleinYou mock me; I am nothing but a laughingstock. You as my neighbours come to me and say, "He calls on God, that He should answer him." Yet I am the just, the perfect man; you make sport of me. You are at ease and treat the one who is down, overwhelmed by misfortune, with contempt.
Commentators differ on how the clause is best read. One translation keeps it as Job's own settled memory rather than the friends' taunt — something God actually did for him in the past:
William KellyA mockery to his neighbours am I, / One calling on God, and He heard him: / The just, upright, one a mockery!
Job keeps his claim to integrity even while they laugh at him. His friends strip that integrity from him and claim to speak for God while they do it.
Leslie M. GrantJob felt the sadness of his friends mocking him and ridiculing him, though he was just and blameless (v.4). He had been a lamp, giving light. Now these friends despised him in their thoughts. They were comfortable and at ease, and ready to put down those whose feet slip. He even suggests that his friends were acting like robbers who were prospering, since they were stealing away his integrity and provoking God while pretending to speak on God's behalf.
Nothing had gone wrong in the lives of the three men sitting opposite Job. That comfort is what let them sit in judgment on him.
William KellyThat phrase exactly described the situation. These three men were all at ease. Nothing was wrong with them. God had not taken them up, as He had Job, and allowed the devil to do all the evil he could... "The man ready to slip with his feet" — that is what Job felt he was — "is like a lamp despised in the thoughts of a man at ease." If he gives way, what good is the lamp? A lamp needs to be held steady, and a slipping man cannot hold it. It waves and waves down into the mud. But they were all at ease, sitting in judgment on him.
Job's complaint goes deeper than the mockery. Their speeches were true in general and useless in particular.
William KellyThey were only talking platitudes — moral platitudes that anyone with the slightest knowledge of God already knew. They gave no light at all on this very difficult question: how could a devout, God-fearing man fall under such crushing sorrow and affliction? They did not contribute one bit to that question.
- Stung, then sarcastic — the friends' charges and platitudes wounded Job first. His sarcasm came out of that wound, and then he named their mockery.
- Prayer turned into a joke — God once answered Job when he called. His friends now throw that same fact back at him with contempt.
- Integrity stolen — they ridicule a just and blameless man, steal his integrity, and provoke God while claiming to speak for Him.
- Ease breeds contempt — nothing was wrong with the three. A slipping man looked to them like a lamp not worth holding, so they judged him from comfortable ground.
- True words, no light — their platitudes were already common knowledge. Not one touched the real question: why did a God-fearing man fall under such sorrow?
He that is ready to stumble with the foot is a lamp despised in the thought of him that is at ease.
Job has been listening to three friends explain his ruin to him, and in chapter 12 he turns on them with sarcasm. Verse 5 is his sharpest look at human nature: comfort breeds contempt for the man whose feet are slipping.
Zophar had just spoken, and his certainty set Job's tone.
F. B. HoleZophar spoke with such extreme certainty that it no doubt prompted Job to begin his reply on a very sarcastic note. His words, "No doubt you are the people, and wisdom will die with you," have almost become a proverb, used against the man whose self-conceit makes him sure he is right. He claimed to have understanding equal to his friends. In verse 5 he reminded them that he stood in this slippery place, shining like a warning lamp, while men in easy and comfortable circumstances — his friends — despised him.
Older translations end the verse with "a lamp despised," and writers differ over what that lamp is. One reads it as Job himself: a light that once shone, now written off by comfortable men.
Leslie M. GrantJob felt the sadness of it. His friends mocked and ridiculed him, though he was just and blameless (v.4). He had been a lamp, giving light. Now these friends, comfortably at ease, despised him in their thoughts. They were ready to put down those whose feet slip.
Another reads it as a lamp made useless: a shaking hand cannot hold a steady light.
William KellyThey were all at ease, these three men. Nothing was the matter with them. They had not, like Job, been taken up by God, who then let the devil do all the evil he could. "He who is ready to slip with his feet" — that is what Job felt he was — "is like a lamp despised in the thought of the man who is at ease." Why? A lamp needs to be held steady. If a man is slipping with his feet, what good is his lamp? It waves about and sinks down into the mud. But they were all at ease, sitting in judgment on him.
The contempt sits in the mind of the man who is not suffering. One writer retells Job's complaint as if he spoke straight to his visitors.
Arno Clemens GaebeleinYou mock me; I am nothing but a laughingstock. You as my neighbours come to me and say, "He calls on God, that He should answer him." Yet I am the just, the perfect man; you make sport of me. You are at ease and treat the one who is down, overwhelmed by misfortune, with contempt.
Their comfort had another side: quiet suspicion of him.
Samuel RidoutThey are at ease, while nursing unjust suspicions of him. He almost compares them to robbers, who keep their loot undisturbed.
Contempt was not their only option. A friend owes a sufferer pity, and there is a reason for it.
Samuel RidoutFriends should show pity to a sufferer. That is a basic principle. Otherwise, under the stress of trial — as some have translated it — "he should forsake the fear of the Almighty." … But the hard principle these friends were applying knew no mercy and felt no sympathy. In his hour of desperate need they proved completely unfit to be friends. They are not the "brother born for adversity." … Yet he had asked nothing unreasonable of them — no money, no rescue from the enemy, only a little sympathy.
The danger in the verse belongs to whoever is safe right now. God notices those who add to the load of a man He is disciplining.
J. G. BellettWe deceive ourselves if we think we must be right when we grieve those whom God is disciplining. This is often very far from being the case. The Lord said in Zechariah, "I am very angry with the nations that are at ease; I was only a little angry, and they made the affliction worse." … We are more often, perhaps, in God's mind, and acting as living vessels of the Spirit, when we comfort such people. And I am sure it was so in Job's case. Had his former friends known God's way, they would have dealt very differently with him.
- Ease — The verse looks at the comfortable man, not the crushed one. Contempt sits in a mind that nothing has touched yet.
- Contempt — His friends were at ease, nursing unjust suspicions. Job almost calls them robbers who enjoy their loot in peace.
- The lamp — Writers read the picture two ways. Job is a light that once shone and is now despised — or a lamp is useless because the hand holding it slips.
- Pity — A sufferer needs sympathy, or the strain may drive him to give up the fear of the Almighty. Job asked for that alone and got none.
- Warning — Grieving someone God is disciplining is not proof you are right. God said He was angry with those at ease who made the affliction worse.
The tents of desolators are in peace, and they that provoke щGod are secure; into whose hand +God bringeth.
Job's friends keep telling him that God rewards the good and ruins the wicked. Here Job points at the world as it is, where violent men often go unpunished and live well. So what does prosperity actually prove? (Older translations read "the tabernacles of robbers prosper... into whose hand God bringeth abundantly." The writers below quote that wording.)
The friends worked from a fixed principle: reward here, ruin there. Job answers with a counter-example.
F. B. HoleIn verse 6 Job challenged the main position that his friends had taken. They said that God always rewards good people with prosperity in this life, and always brings disaster on the wicked. Job said it was not so. There were cases where robbers prospered and where those who provoked God were secure.
The word "secure" has an edge. Job's three visitors are comfortable men, and that comfort feeds their theory.
Samuel RidoutThe charges and empty sayings of the friends sting Job. He answers with bitter sarcasm, and then charges them with mocking him. They are at ease, while they hold on to their unfair suspicions of him. He almost compares them to robbers, who keep their loot undisturbed (verses 1-6).
The line is not an abstract complaint. History already knew such a man.
William KellyThere had been that great robber Nimrod. He first began to hunt beasts, and then to subdue men for his own purposes. God gave him no authority to do it. And yet God allowed it. Nimrod built great cities and became a great man. "The tents of robbers prosper, and those who provoke God are secure; into whose hand God brings abundantly." That is the present state of the earth. Any state of the earth since man fell is no adequate proof of what God thinks of people. It is not bringing out His judgment of men yet. God may deal with a particular case now and then. But that is an exception. His ordinary way is to leave things, to all appearance, to run their own course. And that is just why a judgment must come. Things have not been judged according to God, but they will be.
Job does not stop at human society. The same pattern runs through the animal world.
William KellyJob meets the theory that God repays everyone in this life with a direct denial and disproof. And this was not limited to man. Every form of living nature declares the same fact. The beasts of the earth, the birds of the air and the fish of the sea all show that the violent get the better of the weak. God is sovereign. For that very reason their law of government is a false argument, and to apply it to him is unjust.
Job is not the only one troubled by this. The riddle is not solved by collecting more facts.
A. PridhamFaith finds the answer to the painful riddle of human affairs in the secret of God. That answer does not come from studying facts. It does not come from long experience of God's apparent dealings as the Governor of the world. Power is His alone, and He is the only and the righteous God. Yet weigh events and the actual state of human society by the light of divine truth. Nothing is more constantly obvious than this: everywhere the world appears to reverse the known and eternal principles of divine government. "The tents of robbers prosper, and those who provoke God are secure" (Job 12:6). Evildoers go unpunished now. Truth is continually crushed, and its servants are often persecuted. In every age this has tested the faith and patience of God's saints (Jeremiah 12:1; Habakkuk 1:1-4).
Job knew a fact that Eliphaz's rule had no room for.
An Outline of Sound WordsJob knew that the tents of robbers prosper and that those who provoke God are secure (Job 12:6). But Eliphaz thought that "in prosperity the destroyer shall come upon" the wicked (Job 15:21). What Eliphaz thought was sometimes right, but not always. The writer of Psalm 73 knew that, and we know it from what is all around us. God has allowed Satan to become the god and prince of this world. Satan has authority to dispose in some way of the kingdoms of this world (Luke 4:6). Once we realise this, we will not be perplexed at the prosperity of the wicked.
- Observation. Job states a plain fact: robbers live undisturbed, and men who provoke God feel safe. It answers the friends' rule that God always pays the good and punishes the wicked in this life.
- Challenge. God is sovereign, and for that very reason their rule of government is a false argument. Applying it is unjust.
- Witness. Beasts, birds and fish repeat the message: the violent get the better of the weak.
- Reason. The world since man fell is no measure of what God thinks of anyone. His occasional dealings are the exception, not the rule.
- Verdict. Things have not been judged according to God, so a judgment must come. Until then the riddle tests faith and patience, as Psalm 73, Jeremiah and Habakkuk show.